Carragher is overrated

[JohnDoe]

I think you're going too far, especially with your comments about his positioning. Yes, he's not perfect and some other players might be better than him. He's pretty damned good though.

What comments? That was an analogy, I have already pointed it out. I never said his positioning wasn't good.

I compared:

The ability to defend under pressure with the ability to make a last ditch tackle

And

The flaw of inviting pressure with the flaw of being positionally incompetent

Or in another words and a different example: Sissoko is a great tackler but he loses the ball as often as he wins it.

Carragher handles pressure well, but he causes us to fall under pressure more often without a defender who can hide his weaknesses.

[JohnDoe]

Carragher is UNDERrated now **** off

Carragher is overrated by the population I'm directing this post to, which are Liverpool fans. He hasn't been underrated in this community since his conversion to a CB.

[Catrin]

We've established that Jamie can't stroll about and ping 40-yard passes to the wings. But, can anyone name a CB who could do that [U]and[U] defend as well as Carra? John Terry isn't a better defender than Carra, he just has better PR. We've paid big sums for CB's, towards the top end of the domestic market at the time (Ruddock, Scales, Wright, Babb) and still leaked goals so we shouldn't underestimate the importance of a player who can really defend.

[andyhanrahan]

for a tall fella he isnt very dominant in the air, hansen was a lot thinner than him yet usually beat andy"****" gray in the air. He's an awesome tackler though an brilliant and reading through balls

[Morph]

Read the whole post before replying "**** off"

First off before we start Carra isn't overrated by anyone, the media ignored him for the best part of his career and he's only just recently started picking up plaudits, so if anything he's underrated

Controversial thread of the day.

Awesome all out defender, fantastic tackler and man marker. Plays out of skin and totally committed to this club. Should be first choice CB like he has been for a good few years and will continue to do so for many years more.

However:

The fact that he's vocal on the pitch doesn't make him the leader of our defence. He has been bellow par since Agger has been out. I'll go as far as saying that he is bellow par when Agger is out. Hyypia has been outshining him on a consistent basis.


Well how about the possibility that Carra is working harder, doing more running and covering more ground to make up for Hyypia's lack of pace, thus making him look below par cos he can't concentrate on his own game fully, and making Hyypia look better in the process

He's the worst CB out of the "top 4" clubs in terms of his passing and distribution, I'll go as far as saying that he's clueless at it. It causes us to lose possession more than we should and offering the opposition more chances to attack us. It's similar to the case of have the ability to make a great last ditch tackle but being positionally incompetent so it forces you to make too many of these tackles. Carragher is a great defender when we're under pressure, but he causes us to fall under pressure more often.

Yeah and he's probably the best out of the "top 4" with last ditch tackles, organising the defence and playing a good back line. He's not clueless at passing, that's pushing it too far, but its certainly by no means the strongest part of his game, I'll agree with that no problem. I'll also agree that on occasion it does put us under pressure, but it's certainly no big deal, and if he has a ball playing CB next to him then it takes this pressure off him, and these flaws (and every player has them) aren't exposed.

Agger is our best CB by far. He's a great defender but he's also the exact opposite of Carragher in terms of his 'attacking' capabilities. He's comfortable on the ball and takes off a lot of pressure from our CM's, offering them the chance to start attacks further forward on the pitch and cutting the gap between the midfield and the front line. When Agger is on the pitch we enjoy longer periods of possession.
Carragher makes the CM drop deeper to "help" him when he's got the ball. Without Agger and when facing a side who sit deep and put 10 men behind the ball, Carragher is a liability to our attacking game.


I don't agree Agger is our best CB 'by far', he might be the best but at the moment there's not much between him and Carra imo. And I agree Agger does give us more going forward is comfortable on the ball and is a great all rounder, we've missed him a lot. IF anything Hyypia makes the CB's drop deeper due to his lack of pace, so I disagree that Carra brings them deeper, what he does do is control the back line tho.

The reason why Carragher hasn't featured in the England national team as often as he would have liked, is because there are CB's out there who are simply better.


You know as well as I do that worse CB's have been chosen ahead of Carra, but I don't give a **** about the national, so this means nothing for me.

Go on and have a proper go at me now for spouting nonsense and blasphemy

[andyhanrahan]

i dont care about the national team either i'm irish an our team has been ****e for years

[Vermilion]

Read the whole post before replying "**** off"

Controversial thread of the day.

Awesome all out defender, fantastic tackler and man marker. Plays out of skin and totally committed to this club. Should be first choice CB like he has been for a good few years and will continue to do so for many years more.

However:

The fact that he's vocal on the pitch doesn't make him the leader of our defence. He has been bellow par since Agger has been out. I'll go as far as saying that he is bellow par when Agger is out. Hyypia has been outshining him on a consistent basis.

He's the worst CB out of the "top 4" clubs in terms of his passing and distribution, I'll go as far as saying that he's clueless at it. It causes us to lose possession more than we should and offering the opposition more chances to attack us. It's similar to the case of have the ability to make a great last ditch tackle but being positionally incompetent so it forces you to make too many of these tackles. Carragher is a great defender when we're under pressure, but he causes us to fall under pressure more often.

Agger is our best CB by far. He's a great defender but he's also the exact opposite of Carragher in terms of his 'attacking' capabilities. He's comfortable on the ball and takes off a lot of pressure from our CM's, offering them the chance to start attacks further forward on the pitch and cutting the gap between the midfield and the front line. When Agger is on the pitch we enjoy longer periods of possession.
Carragher makes the CM drop deeper to "help" him when he's got the ball. Without Agger and when facing a side who sit deep and put 10 men behind the ball, Carragher is a liability to our attacking game.

The reason why Carragher hasn't featured in the England national team as often as he would have liked, is because there are CB's out there who are simply better.

Go on and have a proper go at me now for spouting nonsense and blasphemy

Bloody fool.

[Fiddy]

Carra isn't overrated at all, he deserves all the praise he gets

[loco_law]

He sounds dead gay though.

And this coming so soon after the massively heated discussion on the amount of unrequited sexist posts.

[Jennings]

This thread is a bit pointless.
All players have room for improvement somewhere. There is nothing 'blasphemous' in there or even anything that people didn't know.
Sounds like someone just wanted to try to create a little controversy.