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    RED WATCH: Fans becoming problem rather than solution

    Jan 23 2008 by Our Correspondent, Liverpool Daily Post
    Fans becoming problem rather than solution

    Fans becoming problem rather than solution

    THERE was a time when a crisis at Liverpool was being only two points clear at the top of the table. And actually being in second place was considered such a seismic disturbance that the papers would trumpet ‘what’s gone wrong at Liverpool?’

    In those days such melodramatic headlines could be smugly laughed off, safe in the knowledge that soon all would be well and that normal service would be resumed shortly.

    Nowadays we can draw no such comfort from the current crisis surrounding Anfield, where for once the hyperbole of the national Press cannot be dismissed so easily.

    For the truth is that the wheels are coming off at Liverpool. On the pitch, off the pitch and in the stands, the team are facing challenges on a scale unprecedented in recent times.

    And no-one is emerging with any credit from our response.

    Of course the absentee owners form an easy target for the fans to vent their spleen against, and their behaviour in recent weeks has been rightly castigated.

    The crass announcement about the courtship of Klinsmann has undermined Benitez, perhaps fatally, and the continued speculation about their intentions, irrespective of their repeated protestations, is deeply unsettling and feeds the media frenzy currently surrounding the club.

    But are they directly to blame for the frankly awful performances on the pitch we have witnessed this season?

    Is it their fault that we’ve seen more draws this season than in 20 ‘Carry On’ films?

    Is it their fault that many of our first team squad seem incapable of withstanding the pressure of playing for a big club?

    These shortcomings have not just manifested themselves since the Benitez spat became public, they have dogged us from day one.

    Looking at the season as a whole, the periods of success can be seen as the ‘blips’ in an otherwise depressing period of under-achievement, rather than the other way round.

    The current turbulent backdrop has merely given some of our weaker players the excuse to under-perform. And it wasn’t the co-owners who signed them.

    So what has so irked the fans who noisily voiced their protest against all things American on Monday night?

    Their lack of support for Benitez can be rightly decried, but it appears that the threat of saddling the club with the debt incurred to fund the new stadium is the catalyst for this outpouring of disgust.

    Now I haven’t researched this particular point, but I suspect that any such undertaking would have related to their purchase of the club, in contrast to the Glazers’ acquisition of Man United, rather than the funding of the stadium.

    Some fans seem to believe, and indeed expect, that the Americans should build the stadium out of their own pockets, and then just hand it over to the club as a free asset. Cuckoo.

    What I’m absolutely certain of is that the sort of prolonged protests staged during Monday night’s match will do much more to distract the players than any amount of backroom financial wrangling.

    Was this display of unrest consistent with the ‘Liverpool Way’ we all profess to hold dear?

    By all means express displeasure before or after the match, preferably in a civilised manner, but once the team cross the white line, all our efforts should be focused on supporting the team.

    So far the fans have occupied the high moral ground but any more nights like Monday and we’ll be part of the problem, not the solution.

    #2
    Bollocks, because this is a juncture so critical to the future of Liverpool FC you just cannot expect the fans (or even the players/staff) to remain focussed entirely on the pitch. It is a major distraction, and rightly so.
    "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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      #3
      I agree that any protests should be before or after the game and the teams under performance this year is the responsibility of the manager.
      Dare we believe

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        #4
        I would not wipe my arse with that
        Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
        #****CITY

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          #5
          I suppose we should all sit back and watch the club self implode then?

          What does he expect people to do when the club is being run so poorly?

          The manager and team are to blame for a lot of the results, without a doubt. Fact is though we are being run by a pair of idiots who know nothing about footbal and this is something we should not just sit and be quiet about. It may not be the "Liverpool Way" but that is because we have never been put in such a bad situation before.

          Yes, we are now a business but so are other clubs. The thing is, a lot of other chairmen don't speak so publicy about the fact and run their business's so poorly. What should we do? Sit there and chomp on our prawn sandwiches whilst a lying prick like Hicks spouts his mouth of in public about spending profits from the club on his other business interests?

          Sit there and watch us become as much a laughing stock as Newcastle by behaving in ways such as revealing a world leading super stadium only to turn round and say "oops, it appears we can't shop at Harrods but may have to go to Netto instead"?

          Who is this Our Correspondent anyway? Never heard of him before.

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            #6
            Originally posted by poorscousertommy View Post
            I suppose we should all sit back and watch the club self implode then?

            What does he expect people to do when the club is being run so poorly?

            The manager and team are to blame for a lot of the results, without a doubt. Fact is though we are being run by a pair of idiots who know nothing about footbal and this is something we should not just sit and be quiet about. It may not be the "Liverpool Way" but that is because we have never been put in such a bad situation before.

            Yes, we are now a business but so are other clubs. The thing is, a lot of other chairmen don't speak so publicy about the fact and run their business's so poorly. What should we do? Sit there and chomp on our prawn sandwiches whilst a lying prick like Hicks spouts his mouth of in public about spending profits from the club on his other business interests?

            Sit there and watch us become as much a laughing stock as Newcastle by behaving in ways such as revealing a world leading super stadium only to turn round and say "oops, it appears we can't shop at Harrods but may have to go to Netto instead"?

            Who is this Our Correspondent anyway? Never heard of him before.
            Wrong, Newcastle fans vociferate their concerns at every opportunity. We've done that also.

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              #7
              So what has so irked the fans who noisily voiced their protest against all things American on Monday night?

              Their lack of support for Benitez can be rightly decried, but it appears that the threat of saddling the club with the debt incurred to fund the new stadium is the catalyst for this outpouring of disgust.

              Now I haven’t researched this particular point, but I suspect that any such undertaking would have related to their purchase of the club, in contrast to the Glazers’ acquisition of Man United, rather than the funding of the stadium.

              Some fans seem to believe, and indeed expect, that the Americans should build the stadium out of their own pockets, and then just hand it over to the club as a free asset. Cuckoo.
              Wrong.

              No one is complaining about the stadium debt being put against the club. We all accept that's something that would and will rightly happen. We were under no illusions there.

              What the protests are for is the debt of the owners purchase being put against the club to the tune of £350m...That's before an additional £300m loan has to be taken out for the stadium!!

              So in effect the owners are 'doing a Glazer'! Perhaps the person who wrote the article should do his research before writing such ill informed rubbish.
              Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

              **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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                #8
                By all means express displeasure before or after the match, preferably in a civilised manner, but once the team cross the white line, all our efforts should be focused on supporting the team.
                Spot, ****ing, on.
                Quote of the year :

                "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by kurtangle01 View Post
                  Wrong.

                  No one is complaining about the stadium debt being put against the club. We all accept that's something that would and will rightly happen. We were under no illusions there.

                  What the protests are for is the debt of the owners purchase being put against the club to the tune of £350m...That's before an additional £300m loan has to be taken out for the stadium!!

                  So in effect the owners are 'doing a Glazer'! Perhaps the person who wrote the article should do his research before writing such ill informed rubbish.
                  The glazers has been excellent owners to date. They've shut their mouth and let Fergie do his job.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by poorscousertommy View Post
                    Who is this Our Correspondent anyway? Never heard of him before.
                    Sounds like a blue to me. He does make a point though but seeing as I am in Australia I'm not about to tell any matchgoer how they should behave. From what I have seen they know how to get their message across
                    Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by disco View Post
                      Spot, ****ing, on.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by fredo View Post
                        The glazers has been excellent owners to date. They've shut their mouth and let Fergie do his job.

                        I agree. Ours are the exact opposite though. The Scum have an excellent buffer between Ferguson and the Glazers though in David Gill...Where as we have Rick Parry.
                        Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

                        **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by fredo View Post
                          The glazers has been excellent owners to date. They've shut their mouth and let Fergie do his job.
                          To be fair if I was a Manc and paying to go to OT it would piss me off that my hard earned was being used to pay off a massive debt that didn't exist prior to their arrival. Wouldn't sit right with me.

                          EDIT If it had been placed due to an investment, ala new stadium or anything that increased revenue it would be different. Just paying off the loan to buy the club though, stinks, especially when it is against the clubs assets.
                          Last edited by Skillz; 23-01-08, 10:38 AM.
                          Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Skillz View Post
                            To be fair if I was a Manc and paying to go to OT it would piss me off that my hard earned was being used to pay off a massive debt that didn't exist prior to their arrival. Wouldn't sit right with me.
                            Yeah mate, but as a PLC and floating on the stock exchange at the time, they couldn't do anything about it.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Skillz View Post
                              To be fair if I was a Manc and paying to go to OT it would piss me off that my hard earned was being used to pay off a massive debt that didn't exist prior to their arrival. Wouldn't sit right with me.

                              EDIT If it had been placed due to an investment, ala new stadium or anything that increased revenue it would be different. Just paying off the loan to buy the club though, stinks, especially when it is against the clubs assets.
                              Agreed.
                              Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

                              **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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