Name A Replacement For Rafa!

[dww]

He was prevented from signing Kaladze wasn't he? -Was he? He never got £4m for Kaladze but got £6m for Skyrtl. Hardly being prevented from signing anyone is it.

And what happened with Malouda? - What about him. He chose not join Liverpool citing 'sharks' being underhanded during negotiations. Oh and probably the big wage packet he got from Chelsea

I think Dhavlos actually phrased the Kaladze thing well. It isn't all about money but communication and giving the manager the freedom to do deals. The whole 'player specific' budget thing now looks like a way to more tightly control the manager. In this case their poor decision making appears to have meant we had to spend more money on our second choice (or third choice if you include Heinze). While Skrtel may well prove to be a fine signing Kaladze would have had the added advantage of being able to play LB.

The Malouda thing I accept is less clear cut. Overall I think that G&H have done okay in terms of the transfer market however like a lot of things they need to improve from okay or poor to good or excellent.

[StevieG08]

I think Dhavlos actually phrased the Kaladze thing well. It isn't all about money but communication and giving the manager the freedom to do deals. The whole 'player specific' budget thing now looks like a way to more tightly control the manager. In this case their poor decision making appears to have meant we had to spend more money on our second choice (or third choice if you include Heinze). While Skrtel may well prove to be a fine signing Kaladze would have had the added advantage of being able to play LB.

The Malouda thing I accept is less clear cut. Overall I think that G&H have done okay in terms of the transfer market however like a lot of things they need to improve from okay or poor to good or excellent.

Surely we were after Kaladze to play LB as that's his natural position, i know Milan have used him as a centre back but i don't feel the Skrtel deal has anything to do with us not signing Kaladze. If anything i would say there's been a marked improvement in our transfer dealings since H&G have taken over, we also tied our key players down to long term contracts far quicker than previous seasons. I agree Hicks should be attacked on the lies an PR spin doctoring but attacking the owners for the teams performance is a step too far IMO.

[desertscouser]

Sorry but it's Jose for me and I never in my wildest dreams ever thought I would say that.

Same here.

runs and hides behind Howard

[dww]

Surely we were after Kaladze to play LB as that's his natural position, i know Milan have used him as a centre back but i don't feel the Skrtel deal has anything to do with us not signing Kaladze. If anything i would say there's been a marked improvement in our transfer dealings since H&G have taken over, we also tied our key players down to long term contracts far quicker than previous seasons. I agree Hicks should be attacked on the lies an PR spin doctoring but attacking the owners for the teams performance is a step too far IMO.

I think that the same money available for Heinze would have paid for Kaladze and has now paid for Skrtel - that seems fairly certain to me. I don't think we would have gone for Kaladze if he hadn't been able to play CB (where we certainly needed cover) even if long term Rafa wanted him for left back.

I'd agree with you that G&H have improved our transfer dealings. However if we believe Rafa they could have done better if they acted quicker and given him a freer hand which I think is an important element of organising a clubs transfers.

I don't think you can attack G&H directly for on the pitch performances but for me the spin and media circus they created did have an effect. It isn't direct but going forward they have to take on board the fact that public uncertainty is bad for the team.

[StevieG08]

I think that the same money available for Heinze would have paid for Kaladze and has now paid for Skrtel - that seems fairly certain to me. I don't think we would have gone for Kaladze if he hadn't been able to play CB (where we certainly needed cover) even if long term Rafa wanted him for left back.

I'd agree with you that G&H have improved our transfer dealings. However if we believe Rafa they could have done better if they acted quicker and given him a freer hand which I think is an important element of organising a clubs transfers.

I don't think you can attack G&H directly for on the pitch performances but for me the spin and media circus they created did have an effect. It isn't direct but going forward they have to take on board the fact that public uncertainty is bad for the team.

I don't think finances are the direct result of us not signing Kaladze though, apart from anything our squad is at bursting point. It really must be the case of 1 in 1 out from now on. No point buying a new left back when we have 2 already at the club, we have to negotiate a deal for one of the ones we already have (Riise!) to leave. Also i think this is the sticking point with the Mascher deal, Momo has to leave first, or at the same time as, a deal for Mascher takes place.

As to off the field things being the route cause of our poor form i'm still not convinced. We're no better than previous seasons in the league and we were under a very stable regime then. I would concede that the current media circus doesn't help matters but i don't feel it's the root cause of our on field problems i'm afraid to say.

[DeeGame]

Same here.

runs and hides behind Howard

dont worry we can build a baracade to protect us

[animal magic]

Sorry but it's Jose for me and I never in my wildest dreams ever thought I would say that.

[chrispy]

Rafa is just as much to blame for the ****, he shouldn't criticise his bosses in public.

I have to agree with this. In that sense Rafa does piss me off to no end. He needs to learn to keep his mouth firmly shut when talking to the press about his superiors at Anfield and quit threatening to resign when he can't sign Snoogy Doogy or whoever. He's a great manager and given the right backing can take us a long way but his outbursts need to stop as of now. He's not going to go to Real Madrid for a long time yet due to the current regime there who sack someone if they lose 4 or 5 matches on the bounce. He thinks there's pressure at Anfield? Madrid would be 10 times worse!!!

[Frank Leroux]

Hiddink

or

Mourinho

or


Coppell


...in that order.

[Red_hot]

Sad but probably true and he really can't blame anyone else than himself. It's he who pick the team and it's he who decide the tactics.

Some of his decisions in the latest games have reminded me of some of Houlliers decisions.

It's starting to look almost the same as the year Houllier left. No passion, no one that cares, no organization.

Make your mind up, your posts are so bloody inconsistent.

He's got to go. No doubt about it for me

Rijkaard will do as a replacement

Rafa is just as much to blame for the ****, he shouldn't criticise his bosses in public.

I wish you wouldnt post.

I think your Dad's marbles are fully intact. Those two are doing as good a job as Rafa with a fraction of the transfer kitty.

Yeah they are doing as good a job as Rafa in the premiership at the moment. Hardly a reason to get rid of Rafa and get them in. If he's going to be replaced then surely it has to be someone as successful (proven) as Rafa or else what is the point in getting rid?!

And I still can't understand the Jose posts.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah they are doing as good a job as Rafa in the premiership at the moment. Hardly a reason to get rid of Rafa and get them in. If he's going to be replaced then surely it has to be someone as successful (proven) as Rafa or else what is the point in getting rid?!

And I still can't understand the Jose posts.

Haven't you just contradicted yourself a bit there?
His replacement has to be someone as successful but you can't understand the Jose posts?

[dww]

I don't think finances are the direct result of us not signing Kaladze though, apart from anything our squad is at bursting point. It really must be the case of 1 in 1 out from now on. No point buying a new left back when we have 2 already at the club, we have to negotiate a deal for one of the ones we already have (Riise!) to leave. Also i think this is the sticking point with the Mascher deal, Momo has to leave first, or at the same time as, a deal for Mascher takes place.

But my point is that clearly we had the money and were willing to add one defender to the squad as we bought in Skrtel. Either G&H are interfering with the football side of things by deciding where Rafa is wanting to play Kaladze or we had a bad communication issue which may or may not have been sorted. If it was there it cost us in the transfer market.

As to off the field things being the route cause of our poor form i'm still not convinced. We're no better than previous seasons in the league and we were under a very stable regime then. I would concede that the current media circus doesn't help matters but i don't feel it's the root cause of our on field problems i'm afraid to say.

I'm not sure you can disentangle the many parts of what has been making us not great.

I think that the fact we have failed to improved despite obvious strengthening would if anything lend evidence to the argument that uncertainty around the club does have an effect. It doesn't matter whether it is the most significant factor it is one that is within our control (in terms of people at the club) and so we should make it right.

Ultimately we will never know what the root cause of the problems are. There are undoubtedly a number of factors at play. What we can say is that even teams like United who have a strong willing mentality and a record of PL success had problems when it looked like Fergie was off.

It may not be the cause of our problems but it certainly makes it harder to rectify them IMO.

[Red_hot]

Haven't you just contradicted yourself a bit there?
His replacement has to be someone as successful but you can't understand the Jose posts?

No. I know Jose is a successful manager but I wouldn't want him at Liverpool and can't understand anyone that would.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No. I know Jose is a successful manager but I wouldn't want him at Liverpool and can't understand anyone that would.

Because he's successful.

[Red_hot]

Because he's successful.

You know what I mean and are just being pedantic. Yes, he's succesful. He's also a **** and to me it would be like stabbing Rafa in the back, getting rid and bringing him in. That's why I can't understand people saying they would like him as the manager.