A split on The Kop

[RedJedi]

It was very noticable yesterday that the fans on the Kop have spit into 2 camps. The ones who want to protest and the ones who dont.

We had the RTK section singing their protest songs only to be drowned out by others singing Liverpool Liverpool etc.

No what pissed me off was the fact that people were only singing to drown out the protest songs. Fair enough if you dont belive in singing protest songs. But ****in sing for the rest of the game.

When ever the RTK section sang any other songs no one ****in joined in, as soon as they sang a protest song every ****er piped up to drown em out.

I can only see this rift growing and growing

[redlancer]

maybe we should pipe the protest songs to get the atmosphere back

did notice at one point in the kop 5or6 blokes (middle of kop) stood up facing the back of the kop jestering when the protest songs were being sang.

don't buy it Havants day so leave the protests.

as for atmosphere thought it was good yesterday - took me daughter(9) and she loves to go to sing.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think the protest will die a death, for the time being anyway. We now know where we are finance and stadium wise and nobody knows for sure what implications this is going to have for us. I think everyone needs to take a step back, and see how we go for the rest of the season. In that time we should have a better indication of what the manager's position is and we should see work on the ground start. We'll look a bit daft if we start doing the business on the pitch and the owners make the funds available for that to happen.

I only have one gripe with the owners and that's the Klinnsman business. Not the fact that they did it behind Rafa's back (the same happens with every managerial change), just that they were thinking of putting an inexperienced club manager at the helm.

[redlancer]

I think the protest will die a death, for the time being anyway. We now know where we are finance and stadium wise and nobody knows for sure what implications this is going to have for us. I think everyone needs to take a step back, and see how we go for the rest of the season. In that time we should have a better indication of what the manager's position is and we should see work on the ground start. We'll look a bit daft if we start doing the business on the pitch and the owners make the funds available for that to happen.

I only have one gripe with the owners and that's the Klinnsman business. Not the fact that they did it behind Rafa's back (the same happens with every managerial change), just that they were thinking of putting an inexperienced club manager at the helm.

all i can think off they must of been advised somewhere down the line re Klinnsman, and who's to say he won't be a very good manager but as with most woudn't of wanted him to cut his teeth with us.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

When ever the RTK section sang any other songs no one ****in joined in, as soon as they sang a protest song every ****er piped up to drown em out.

I can only see this rift growing and growing

Maybe a lot of people think they're a bunch of self opinionated dopes who have taken it upon themselves to act as the official voice of the fans. Maybe people simply don't agree with them mate.

[Skillz]

This PR machine Hicks has fired up don't muck around do they!

[RedJedi]

Maybe a lot of people think they're a bunch of self opinionated dopes who have taken it upon themselves to act as the official voice of the fans. Maybe people simply don't agree with them mate.

I agree mate, they dont speak for eveyone. But the noise we made when they were singing was the loudest ive heard for ages ( CL games excepted ).

Just saying its weird how people can find a voice to drown out someone with a different opinion, then sing **** all for the rest of the game.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I agree mate, they dont speak for eveyone. But the noise we made when they were singing was the loudest ive heard for ages ( CL games excepted ).

Just saying its weird how people can find a voice to drown out someone with a different opinion, then sing **** all for the rest of the game.

Well we can just get RTK to sing their protest songs all match. Bingo. Atmosphere problems solved.

[RedJedi]

Well we can just get RTK to sing their protest songs all match. Bingo. Atmosphere problems solved.

Thats what i was thinking yesterday.

Its a cunning plan m'lord

[calvoboy]

The opinion of my mates and the people who sit around us is that we should get behind the team at the game. We had the protest at the Villa game and the message got through loud and clear - you only have to look at Hicks's PR campaign over the last week to see that. Now let's wait and see what happens. Further chanting will only distract the players during the game.

That's not to say that we should never protest again, just that doing it every game is self-defeating and won't achieve anything. It's like taking strike action. It works best, and has it's biggest impact, when it is used sparingly. Otherwise you soon just get dismissed as "those idiots singing their songs again" or "those idiots in the X union who are always threatening to strike".

I take the point about some people only singing to drown out the protest songs, and that shouldn't happen. As RedJedi says, what are they doing for the rest of the game?

I do think there is also a fair bit of bottled up resentment amongst the Kop about the self-proclaimed voice of the people that is RTK. They don't reflect the opinions of the majority of fans, no one group ever could, and their "holier than thou" attitude trying to tell other fans how they should behave at the game gets on many peoples nerves.

[Kilteragh]

I only have one gripe with the owners and that's the Klinnsman business. Not the fact that they did it behind Rafa's back (the same happens with every managerial change), just that they were thinking of putting an inexperienced club manager at the helm.

Or the fact that they made it public at all.

[Darth Marty]

im torn between thinking we should keep up the protests at every possible opportunity or get fully behind Rafa and the players.

On the one hand a few intermittent protests will never gain us anything, if we really want the yanks out then we should continue until they bugger off, on the other if we fully support Liverpool then maybe this will die down and we will be succesful on the pitch and to be fair thats what we all want.

Its a tricky dilemma.

[Steve101]

Maybe a lot of people think they're a bunch of self opinionated dopes who have taken it upon themselves to act as the official voice of the fans. Maybe people simply don't agree with them mate.

You know, for years there always been people who would DEMAND that you join in thier songs when they wanted, and that winds me up no end. Even if I did agree with everything RTK stand for (which I dont) they can **** off if they ever claim to represent me and i suspect many thousands of others. I never voted for the *******s, and never will!!

[Matt]

im torn between thinking we should keep up the protests at every possible opportunity or get fully behind Rafa and the players.

On the one hand a few intermittent protests will never gain us anything, if we really want the yanks out then we should continue until they bugger off, on the other if we fully support Liverpool then maybe this will die down and we will be succesful on the pitch and to be fair thats what we all want.

Its a tricky dilemma.

I dont think anything other than hard cash and plenty of it will persuade G+T to sell. The polling numbers are there, we've had previous protests etc; I'm sure they're aware of the attitude of the fans and they probably couldn't care less.

Maybe its time we focussed on getting behind the team because lord knows they need it at the moment.

[Ballykissdevil]

To be honest, I think it had something to do with the romance of the FA Cup.

Havant and Waterlooville are not likely to get this far again in the FA Cup. They filled the entire lower Anfield Road end.

When their team scored, we applauded. That's what the FA Cup is about.

A lot of people did not want to spoil it for them; wanted to let them have their beautiful moment without spoiling it with the negative elements of protesting.

I, personally, was happy that this was the case. Like I said, they are not likely to get here again. Making the day as memorable as possible in a GOOD way, for them, was the way to go.

We cannot win. We complain when we sing, we complain when we don't.

Protests create a negative atmosphere. Liverpool, Liverpool, loud and clear? Well, how long has it been since we heard that?

Get behind the team. That's what I say. Because, I was at the game when the protest songs were loud and clear and the atmosphere was horrific.