Question for those who dont want rafa gone...

[Craig_H]

I agree with this. The loss of Pako has proven to be massive, and why Rafa hasn't actively sought to replace him is beyond me - I think it points to Rafa's stubborness again. Like you say Dave, Rafa needs to accept that certain methods of his need to be refined somewhat.

Can I just ask though what DJS was trying to achieve with this thread? Because the original post is worded in such a patronising "I told you so" tone, and does the usual DJS thing of pigeon-holing posters that I really wonder. No disrespect to you DJS but that's how it comes across.

Been here before dhavlos, and i'm tired of trying to 'justify' my 'tone' when people misread it.

[Robster007]

Wenger has consistently challenged for the title. Rafa has never.

Rafa has ONE thing in his corner - the CL win.

Wenger can point to titles, a double and a regular title challenge.

They've finished below us for the past 2 seasons though.

[stevie_gerrard_8]

The problem with replacing Rafa is who to replace him with. I can only think of Pellegrini but would the board go fro a Spanish man again?

[Craig_H]

No we don't. I've never seen any post from anyone saying Rafa does no wrong! That's something invented by the likes of you and DJS.

I havent invented that at all Sarah, so please dont say that i have.

What i'm saying is that everytime something goes wrong, i read various different people/things at fault, various different reasons and frankly, i dont recall seeing any of the 'rcdnw' (for want of a better description) brigade actually saying "Rafa cocked that up". The blame always seems to lie elsewhere...which is a little far fetched.

[Man71]

I've said it before and will say it again we need Jose Mourhino

[Robster007]

No we don't. I've never seen any post from anyone saying Rafa does no wrong! That's something invented by the likes of you and DJS.

[Robster007]

Posts like Nic's above and DJS's opening post in this thread is exactly what is going wrong with this place at the moment IMO. Far too many people criticising the posters rather than the opinions. Pidgeon-holing posters as RCDNW and so on and talking a patronising view of them :whatever:

[Craig_H]

Posts like Nic's above and DJS's opening post in this thread is exactly what is going wrong with this place at the moment IMO. Far too many people criticising the posters rather than the opinions. Pidgeon-holing posters as RCDNW and so on and talking a patronising view of them :whatever:

How am i pigeon holing posters? I'm specifically asking those people who ARE laying the blame elsewhere, but not at rafa's door.

Why is it deemed that someone asking these questions is 'what is going wrong with this place' ?

I think YOU'RE patronising me actually, with the usual 'oh you are just whinging' tone you use. And it's quite offensive.

You seem to be categorising yourself as someone who isnt 'rcdnw' and DOES thing there are some fundamental flaws with rafa. Yet, you dont seem as though you're prepared to come out and actually say this. I'm confused.

[Dhav]

*yawn* and some would see posts like yours having a go at us for OUR opinions as "what's going wrong with this place at the moment"

what should "this place be like" then king dhavlos? Everyone behind rafa and everythings rosie with LFC struggling for mid table?

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Hmm. I see you've pidgeon-holed me as RCDNW because I've criticised you and DJS for pidgeon-holing people as RCDNW. I'd like to say I'm surprised but....

[Robster007]

Hmm. I see you've pidgeon-holed me as RCDNW because I've criticised you and DJS for pidgeon-holing people as RCDNW. I'd like to say I'm surprised but....

I'd be very careful Dhavlos. Certain people on here have played at a very high level in the game. Some have even played in the paralympics.

[Craig_H]

They've finished below us for the past 2 seasons though.

Yes they have, but they've also WON the title a good few times and look like doing it again this season. What is your point?

Nobody will win it or challenge for it EVERY single season, of course it can be cyclical. Our 'cycle' doesnt seem to be coming around, it's been nearly 20 years now.

We havent challenged once under rafa. Surely you can see the difference between HIS PL achievements and wenger's?

[Craig_H]

The problem with replacing Rafa is who to replace him with. I can only think of Pellegrini but would the board go fro a Spanish man again?

Jose Mourinho.

[dww]

I agree with this. The loss of Pako has proven to be massive, and why Rafa hasn't actively sought to replace him is beyond me - I think it points to Rafa's stubborness again. Like you say Dave, Rafa needs to accept that certain methods of his need to be refined somewhat.

Can I just ask though what DJS was trying to achieve with this thread? Because the original post is worded in such a patronising "I told you so" tone, and does the usual DJS thing of pigeon-holing posters that I really wonder. No disrespect to you DJS but that's how it comes across.

I think it could have been better worded in the sense that questions like 'Will it ever be his fault?' do seem to imply that those of a different view point are stupid, whether that is the intention or not.

However in general I think there is a valid point in someone who has strong doubts about Rafa wanting to know why others are supportive of him. In our current situation I think the default for supporters of most teams would be to be calling for the managers head. The reaction here and in the wider spread of LFC fans I have talked to is however very mixed.

The thread has been the traditional mixture of insight, bitching and banality. I think possibly we would all benefit from being a little less aggressive in our opinions sometimes.

[Dhav]

How am i pigeon holing posters? I'm specifically asking those people who ARE laying the blame elsewhere, but not at rafa's door.

Why is it deemed that someone asking these questions is 'what is going wrong with this place' ?

I think YOU'RE patronising me actually, with the usual 'oh you are just whinging' tone you use. And it's quite offensive.

You seem to be categorising yourself as someone who isnt 'rcdnw' and DOES thing there are some fundamental flaws with rafa. Yet, you dont seem as though you're prepared to come out and actually say this. I'm confused.

I tell you why people take a militant pro-Rafa stance on here DJS, to the extent that it forces you to pidgeon-hole them as RCDNW? It's to counter the constant stream of anti-Rafa bile that you and others of your ilk spout.

I am prepared to admit Rafa's failings, which I do think are fundamental and which I would hope he would alter in order to get us moving in the right direction. But likewise I feel the need to defend him from some of the vitriol that for some reason he attracts from fans of the club.

[breffniboy]

That style which has brought how many titles to the likes of Saachi, Capello and Rafa?

In England? As in Premierships?