Setanta Y'day

[Abro100]

I put radio city on when at home, Aldo is funny.

[Neil Young]

Gary Neville for starters

That's a very good point.

[Abro100]

That's fair comment (although those three examples were really annoying for me but that's a matter of taste). So long as we're all clear that his position as the leading football summariser in the UK is not based on his superior knowledge of football.

I'll agree with that, but ill also state that he will know more than alot of people, and football is a game of opinions.

[zimbo]

Oh yeah, and I hate him for saying things like "hugely powerful" and that forced chuckle, both of which make me want to punch him.

I love it when he goes all solemn and follows up one of his nose-bleedingly obvious pronouncements with "...and I mean that."

e.g. "I think Liverpool could struggle to win this game unless they can find a way past the keeper.....and I mean that."

I can only assume he thinks he's adding gravitas to his opinion. When in actual fact he comes across like the kind of person who would be happy to buy a pair of his own socks off you for £500, even if he was already wearing them.

[Neil Young]

I agree with Tony. It's boring, just turn the sound off/don't read.

Or don't bother to comment on how boring you find it?

I think some of this debate at least is not simply about anti-Liverpool bias. It is about the uselessness of nearly all football pundits and by implication how their lazy inaccuracies end up permeating almost all discussion on the subject.

The fact that we use mainly examples of how they're wrong about Liverpool is because most of us know more about Liverpool than we do about other clubs and we watch more Liverpool games than others. And we're more sensitive to what seems like unjustified criticism, yes.

[lfcchris]

And you have to rmember that TV is also about 'entertainment' and ratings aswell, some of the things andy gray says in matches are quite funny i think and some of his commentary is memorable. Panithinikos for example 'you beauutttttttyyyyyyyyyyy what a hit son', 'take a bow son' or 'Game overrrrrrrrrrrghhh' spring to mind.

It was Olympiakos wasnt it!!!!!!!!!!

[Neil Young]

And you do because?

FFS.

I don't. I'm also not paid hundreds or thousands of pounds to opine on zonal marking and I don't spread my misconceptions to millions of television viewers.

Of course they probably know more than me about lots of things to do with football - when an ex-player talks about what it's like to be a professional footballer, what training is like, what it's like getting up for morning kick-offs, what it's like to win the European Cup or whatever, then I listen and I don't have any experience which allows me even to think of contradicting them.

When they say things about today which are based on what it was like in their day then I listen with a more critical ear.

When they say things that are quite obviously open to other interpretations or are simply wrong (for example Trevor Francis quite frequently looks at slo-mo replays and reiterates what he said before, that so-and-so was offside even when he clearly wasn't) then I feel, as someone who has watched a fair amount of football over the years, that I am entitled to make a judgment on it.

No expert is fallible and should be believed in all circumstances. It's a question of weighing up their experience and knowledge, comparing it to your own and to others', and making a judgment about how much weight to give them. The point is that many of them don't deserve the weight they seem to carry...and I include football journos here too.

[Red_hot]

Whats up with you today Neil? Narky bum.

[Neil Young]

Whats up with you today Neil? Narky bum.

[Imy]

FFS.

I don't. I'm also not paid hundreds or thousands of pounds to opine on zonal marking and I don't spread my misconceptions to millions of television viewers.

Of course they probably know more than me about lots of things to do with football - when an ex-player talks about what it's like to be a professional footballer, what training is like, what it's like getting up for morning kick-offs, what it's like to win the European Cup or whatever, then I listen and I don't have any experience which allows me even to think of contradicting them.

When they say things about today which are based on what it was like in their day then I listen with a more critical ear.

When they say things that are quite obviously open to other interpretations or are simply wrong (for example Trevor Francis quite frequently looks at slo-mo replays and reiterates what he said before, that so-and-so was offside even when he clearly wasn't) then I feel, as someone who has watched a fair amount of football over the years, that I am entitled to make a judgment on it.

No expert is fallible and should be believed in all circumstances. It's a question of weighing up their experience and knowledge, comparing it to your own and to others', and making a judgment about how much weight to give them. The point is that many of them don't deserve the weight they seem to carry...and I include football journos here too.

Opine hey, learn something new everyday

[Imy]

Whats up with you today Neil? Narky bum.

no no no, not narky, mardy, it's mardy bum.

[Abro100]

It was Olympiakos wasnt it!!!!!!!!!!

Same thing

[hamshanks]

Gray nearly creamed his pants over Everton yesterday.

So he should do they were really good yesterday and he's an Everton fan - I like Gray, I think he's honest and honestly biased to Everton, as Thommo, Aldridge, Molby, Hansen etc are to Liverpool.

[Steve101]

Craig burley is a tosser, always was, and his summarising on setanta seems very biased against us. im not one for usually worying about such stuff, but its a bit more than obvious most of the time. Thing is, he keeps coming out with the same ld drivel.........they hit the woodwork and were lucky, we do it and its a missed 'golden oppurtunity' that should be taken.

[Joe King]

Why doesn't Jimmy Armfield come on tv? I think he is a terrific summeriser of the game and has a very good technical knowledge of the game.