Gerrard "is a diver"

[akjs123]

Seriously with that kind of excuse you're starting to sound like what Man U fans sound like when they defend Ronaldo

Never compare a Liverpool fan to a scum fan. Its offending. Anyway, that was in response to someone who thought that Gerrard did that to "ensure" contact because the speed at which he was coming, Friedel was always going to go through Gerrard.
If you dont believe me, have a look at Friedel's and Gerrard's positions. The time difference between the first frame and the second in about 0.4 seconds in real time.

[cannotmakeit]

Whatever! All i know is he wins us games.

[Sarb]

Some people are ridiculous. This thread is a joke. Yeah Gerrard dives but so does every other player in football

[Resu]

That is incorrect mate. Friedel went through Gerrard and ended up about a couple of meters on the other side from the point of contact. Whether Gerrard wanted or not, he was going to be brought down by Friedel in any case.

The "trailing leg" is a myth. What I want to know is how can a running man have a trailing leg. Gerrard was running so he has to take is right leg forward doesnt he.

Yes, Friedel went through Gerrard. But before he does he pulls back so that the contact comes a fraction later. I think this is why you can see Gerrard setting himself up for a fall. He might catch Gerrards other foot, but that was after Gerrard had allready decided to go down. When you start do down before there is any contact it`s diving IMO.
My initial thought when I saw it was that it wasn`t a penalty, and it still is.

[Shaggy]

Some people are ridiculous. This thread is a joke. Yeah Gerrard dives but so does every other player in football

Oh well that's fine then!



And "every other player in football" doesn't dive.

[akjs123]

Yes, Friedel went through Gerrard. But before he does he pulls back so that the contact comes a fraction later. I think this is why you can see Gerrard setting himself up for a fall. He might catch Gerrards other foot, but that was after Gerrard had allready decided to go down. When you start do down before there is any contact it`s diving IMO.
My initial thought when I saw it was that it wasn`t a penalty, and it still is.

He pulls his hands back I agree but that doesnt affect his legs which brought down Gerrard. Also, I have seen the incident and its highlights a fair few times, in slow motion, and from what I have seen, there was no intention from Gerrard in going down.
I know it sounds different from what the general view is but if you see it at speed or just some key frames, it will appear from Gerrard's body posture that he is diving. But I have provided some analysis of my own on the last few posts of the previous page of this thread.

[Tee]

This is a ludicrous thread IMO - he does go down easily but he does NOT ****in dive!! There is a difference here people!!

Pires and Vieira are 2 classically trained divers of the highest quality - Gerrard is not.

Gerrard is a winner and if he feels he can take advantage of a clumsy ****in defender or goalkeeper than good for him... and us!! Whats the problem?!!

[Resu]

He pulls his hands back I agree but that doesnt affect his legs which brought down Gerrard. Also, I have seen the incident and its highlights a fair few times, in slow motion, and from what I have seen, there was no intention from Gerrard in going down.
I know it sounds different from what the general view is but if you see it at speed or just some key frames, it will appear from Gerrard's body posture that he is diving. But I have provided some analysis of my own on the last few posts of the previous page of this thread.

I guess we have to disagree on this one. I think he started to fall before there was contact, you don`t.

[akjs123]

This is a ludicrous thread IMO - he does go down easily but he does NOT ****in dive!! There is a difference here people!!

Pires and Vieira are 2 classically trained divers of the highest quality - Gerrard is not.

Gerrard is a winner and if he feels he can take advantage of a clumsy ****in defender or goalkeeper than good for him... and us!! Whats the problem?!!

I remember the Vieira dive at anfield when Hamann nicked the ball off him very classily. It was the game in which Mellor scored the winner. Vieira was on a yellow and the ref spotted the dive but didnt book him for it.

[akjs123]

I guess we have to disagree on this one. I think he started to fall before there was contact, you don`t.

No mate. Guess we'll just disagree on this . If you look at this http://www.zshare.net/video/1060662558980d60/ , you will see that Gerrard,s right foot is going forward before it hits Friedel's knee and then instead of going forward it goes right and hits Friedel in the stomach. If his foot hadnt hit Friedel's knee, he would have been able to continue with the run.

[ufc43]

For me he uses his pace to force the opposition to make a mistake, he knows what he is doing but technicaly I have never seen him dive. go down easy yes but not diving

I think this is exactly what Rhylred was talking about.

Gerard dived. End of discussion.

[Reece]

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End of discussion.

Unless people want to carry on discussing it.

[Kenneth]

This is a ludicrous thread IMO - he does go down easily but he does NOT ****in dive!! There is a difference here people!!

Pires and Vieira are 2 classically trained divers of the highest quality - Gerrard is not.

Gerrard is a winner and if he feels he can take advantage of a clumsy ****in defender or goalkeeper than good for him... and us!! Whats the problem?!!

[ufc43]

In the first instance there was def contact, Gerrard's foot was clipped by Friedel's knee and in the 2nd incident Samba should have been sent off, no doubt that was a foul.

I agree he looks for penalties when the opportunity is there and is intellegent enough to take the ball away from the keeper at the right moment but you cant say there wasnt contact in those incidents.

The 2nd one was especially clear

Your right, Gerard cleverly put his foot on Friedel (as he was going by in an attempt to win a peno). I don't know if you have ever played football, but this is done to deceive refs into thinking the defending player made the contact. Its a trick that has been used over and over again in the premiership. It was a clear dive.

The second one was a free kick as there was clear contact from the defender on Gerard. This could also have resulted in a red card as Gerard was denied a goal scoring opportunity.

I,m a Liverpool fan, but you have to call a spade a spade.

[Scratch]

Exaggerating a contact to make sure the referee sees it is not diving. Falling to the floor with no contact is diving. There is a difference. If people can't see that then bollocks to them.

Gerrard has dived in the past, but on this occassion he did not dive. Having said that, it wasn't a penalty in my opinion as there was no way he would have got the ball. Oh, and those saying he flung his foot out, he did, but that was after Friedels knee had clipped him. Watch the reply, the one from behind, it shows it pretty ****ing clearly, and if you can't see it i'd suggest a trip to the opticians.