In defence of Rafa.....gulp...

[Reece]

I dont think we can claim that we actually were the best team in europe in 2005 with a straight face.

Who was then?

[Craig_H]

When I say like I don't mean as want to share tea and biscuits with - I mean in terms of what he does.

Ok, well i dont like the disruption to the rhythm and stability to the side that 5+ changes between games brings.

[Craig_H]

Who was then?

So in 2004, Porto were the best team in europe? Christ...

If we'd won a european superleague with all the top sides playing each other, then fair enough, but winning the CL doesnt automatically make you the best side in europe, just the same as winning the league cup doesnt make you the best side in the league.

[Manofthebog]

I dont think we can claim that we actually were the best team in europe in 2005 with a straight face.

BUT, and it's a big BUT, our names on the cup, so funny or not, we were.

Oh, and I don't find it funny, I think it's a great achievement.

[Nic83]

Who was then?

In 2005, most definitely Barcelona.

and in response to your response: No, the fact that we knocked them out on an away goal over 2 legs doesn't mean we were a superior team!! or was that even that year, I dunno!

[Reece]

So in 2004, Porto were the best team in europe? Christ...

If we'd won a european superleague with all the top sides playing each other, then fair enough, but winning the CL doesnt automatically make you the best side in europe, just the same as winning the league cup doesnt make you the best side in the league.

In European Cup competition we were the best team in 2005.

[Maxiedge]

That defensive boring team who are the top scorers in the CL this season?

Ok, who's the only English team to beat Barca on their own ****e heap?

Who owns the record of most goals scored in a champs league game?

Yep, we're boring to watch, us.

Yeah...and I was agreeing. No sarcasm intended. Get off my back, Jack.

[Reece]

In 2005, most definitely Barcelona.

and in response toy your response: No, the fact that we knocked them out on an away goal over 2 legs doesn't mean we were a superior team!!

But we didn't knock them out in 2005

[Nic83]

No, maybe not , i edited that.

So Barcelona then.

[Manofthebog]

So in 2004, Porto were the best team in europe? Christ...

If we'd won a european superleague with all the top sides playing each other, then fair enough, but winning the CL doesnt automatically make you the best side in europe, just the same as winning the league cup doesnt make you the best side in the league.

So then neither Chelsea or the Mancs should win the league this year, cos Arsenal deserve to win it, cos they're the best teasm in our league.

In your words "christ".

[Craig_H]

BUT, and it's a big BUT, our names on the cup, so funny or not, we were.

Oh, and I don't find it funny, I think it's a great achievement.

We werent even the best team in england, let alone europe. We had the most successful European Cup campaign, mind you, but that doesnt make us the best team in europe.

Do you think only the best teams win cup competitions?

[Manofthebog]

facts are facts, to be the best team in Europe you have to win the competition, and the history books tell us it was Liverpool in 2005.

in one off games, in Europe, we're capable of beating absolutely anyone, and in fact, we have.

[Craig_H]

In European Cup competition we were the best team in 2005.

We produced the most successful campaign and our attempts at winning it were obviously better than anyone else's.

That's not the same as being the 'best team in europe' though IMO.

[Craig_H]

So then neither Chelsea or the Mancs should win the league this year, cos Arsenal deserve to win it, cos they're the best teasm in our league.

In your words "christ".

How are Arsenal the best team in our league? League tables dont lie, cup competitions dont always give you the most truthful answer.

Answer me this, if Chelsea were the best team in england in 2005 (which they were), how were we the 'best team in europe' ?

[Craig_H]

facts are facts, to be the best team in Europe you have to win the competition, and the history books tell us it was Liverpool in 2005.

in one off games, in Europe, we're capable of beating absolutely anyone, and in fact, we have.

So Spurs are the best team in the football league then? Because they won the football league cup this season, so...