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    Defending Rafa - Great Piece

    I know some people are unhappy with Benitez after last night but I think it's worth remembering how far we have come under his reign. I found this post on The Guardian Sports Blog that sums up how much he has done for us.

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    As a Liverpool fan I am going to be biased, but I shall try to be balanced to.

    First of all I do not think Liverpool will win the Premier League next year, not because of Mr Benitez being a failure, but for the simple fact Mr Abramovich has spent £364m (approx) on new players since June 2003 whereas Liverpool in the same period have spent £174 (approx). This is not a slight at Chelsea but a fact. Manchester United have also spent big, £182m (approx - and I include the Tevez deal, though not the Ferdinand transfer) which also reflects the immense wealth and advantage Chelsea have in challenging for the league title and other cups simultaneously.

    So what I shall write here is information which I believe shows Mr Benitez to be a better manager than what he is given credit for. I feel Mr Houllier left Liverpool in a worse position than when he started. Liverpool in 1998 were the third best team in the country, when he left they were a distant fourth. Mr Houllier also left Liverpool with a poor squad: Dudek, Kirkland, Finnan, Ostemobor, Hyypia, Medjani, Henchoz, Traore, Riise, Vignal, Diouf, Smicer, Biscan, Diao, Hamann, Diarra, Kewell, Cheyrou, Cisse, Pongolle, Baros, Le Tallec (I have excluded Carragher, Murphy, Gerrard and Owen because they were at Liverpool before Houllier).

    This meant Mr Benitez had to rebuild Liverpool much like Abramovich rebuilt the Chelsea squad that finished the 2002-2003 season (Cudicni, Melchiot, Desailly, Gallas, Babayaro, Gronkjaer, Lampard, Petit, Le Saux, Hasselbaink, Gudjohnson were the first XI, other squad members were de Goey, Ferrer, Huth, Terry, Zended, Stanic, Morris, De Lucas, Zola and Cole). The problem for Mr Benitez is he could cancel contracts, remove players and spend hundreds of millions on new players; Liverpool had financial constraints like every other football team.

    Well what has Mr Benitez done, to begin with I shall mention the league. If Liverpool were to draw the last two league games they would finish with 72 points, meaning Liverpool have averaged 70 points over the last 4 seasons; good or bad? Liverpool have re-emerged on the European stage, Champions league winners 2005, Champions league finalists 2007, Champions league semi-finalist 2008; good or bad? In domestic cup competitions Liverpool have won the FA Cup in 2006 and were finalists in 2005, good or bad? Also Liverpool have won the Community Shield and Super Cup, good, bad, or don't care?

    Mr Benitez has also re-invested in the youth team (which like Mr Wenger, and Mr Ferguson, would acknowledge takes a few years "to bear fruit") as well as improving the Liverpool first XI with players of the caliber of Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Alonso, Mascherano, Babel and Torres; decent squad players like Arbeloa, Aurelio, Kuyt, Leiva, Crouch, Pennant and Benayoun. Football fans may question some transfers e.g. the forward Kuyt at £10m, but was Jeffer's worth £8m, Wiltord £13m, Shevchenko £30.8m, Saha £12.8m and Owen £16.5m? Also manager's make mistakes, 1 manager brought these players: Shaaban, Manniger, Vivas, Luzhny, Grondin, Stepanovs, Cygan, Grimandi, Boa Morte, Wreh, Diawara as well as spending £7.5m on Gio, £10.5m on Reyes, £6m on Wright, £6.5m on Edu etc. Patience is a virtue!

    In conculsion, has Mr Benitez improved Liverpool's league points/position; yes, in my view. Have Liverpool had success in domestic cup competitions; satisfactory success, ditto for Arsenal and Manchester United. Have Liverpool improved their European form, unquestionably! Is the Liverpool squad stronger now than when Mr Benitez took charge, I would say resolutely yes. Would Mr Benitez have won the Premier League with Abramovich's millions, yes.

    A humble guy with healthy desire.

    #2
    Originally posted by The Erectile Banana View Post
    Would Mr Benitez have won the Premier League with Abramovich's millions, yes.
    We`ll have a chance to see that if DIC take over.

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      #3
      In conculsion, has Mr Benitez improved Liverpool's league points/position; yes, in my view.
      Cant say i'd emphatically agree with that bit.

      We've kept our position as consistently being 3rd or 4th. We havent done better OR worse than that under him. We've improved our squad but so have the others.

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        #4
        The first thing I notice about this article are the elementary spelling and grammar errors - is it written by a journo or a fan?
        Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’

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          #5
          Originally posted by DJS View Post
          Cant say i'd emphatically agree with that bit.

          We've kept our position as consistently being 3rd or 4th. We havent done better OR worse than that under him. We've improved our squad but so have the others.
          Realistically, had Ged stayed in charge, how do you think we'd be doing now?
          Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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            #6
            Originally posted by DJS View Post
            Cant say i'd emphatically agree with that bit.

            We've kept our position as consistently being 3rd or 4th. We havent done better OR worse than that under him. We've improved our squad but so have the others.
            FLMAO.
            **** OFF HICKS AND GILLETT WE DON'T WANT YOU.

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              #7
              Originally posted by DJS View Post
              Cant say i'd emphatically agree with that bit.

              We've kept our position as consistently being 3rd or 4th. We havent done better OR worse than that under him. We've improved our squad but so have the others.
              Yes, but with considerably less financial backing.
              Reece, get off my wife.:whatever:

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                #8
                Originally posted by wiw View Post
                Realistically, had Ged stayed in charge, how do you think we'd be doing now?
                No doubts Rafa's done better than GH would've done. I'm not sure i'd use GH's achievements (especially in the latter stages of his reign) as a supreme benchmark though.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Manofthebog View Post
                  Yes, but with considerably less financial backing.
                  Than Chelsea, yes.

                  I think i read in another thread that since what was it, 2003?...that we'd spent £174m and the mancs £182m.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DJS View Post
                    No doubts Rafa's done better than GH would've done. I'm not sure i'd use GH's achievements (especially in the latter stages of his reign) as a supreme benchmark though.
                    Well it's the best benchmark we have surely? He was our manager afterall...I think we have to look at it as Rafa doing well to do better than GH would have done, while at the same time maintaining our fantastic CL record and winning the FA cup. Ultimately our main goal is to challenge in all comps successfully, and I really believe Rafa's philosophy will bring us that after this summer, if it is a successful one. We all know rotation isn't the problem, it's the players we rotate.

                    At the end of the day, he could've done things different, say, like Arsenal, and look where they are this season - trailed away.
                    Sack swinging like Dub-D40 on a door hinge

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by wiw View Post
                      Well it's the best benchmark we have surely? He was our manager afterall...I think we have to look at it as Rafa doing well to do better than GH would have done, while at the same time maintaining our fantastic CL record and winning the FA cup. Ultimately our main goal is to challenge in all comps successfully, and I really believe Rafa's philosophy will bring us that after this summer, if it is a successful one. We all know rotation isn't the problem, it's the players we rotate.

                      At the end of the day, he could've done things different, say, like Arsenal, and look where they are this season - trailed away.
                      We're a few steps ahead of what we were under GH, and credit to the manager for that. I disagree with you to a point about rotation, in itself and done properly, it's hugely beneficial but i personally consider the amount of rotation Rafa does as being problematic (meaning going from one game to the next with half the team being changed) and the fact that we're playing players in unnatural positions for them to also be an issue.

                      Arsenal's way isnt the only other method out there

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DJS View Post
                        Than Chelsea, yes.

                        I think i read in another thread that since what was it, 2003?...that we'd spent £174m and the mancs £182m.
                        As has been said, there is a fundamental difference between spending money on completely re-modelling a squad and then using that money to improve an already quality side.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by DJS View Post
                          Than Chelsea, yes.

                          I think i read in another thread that since what was it, 2003?...that we'd spent £174m and the mancs £182m.

                          Last summer we were 20 odd points behind and we spent 70M incl Masher. Manchester United spent 52M and added Tevez, rumoured to cost 30-35M. So at best MU added 82M GBP of talent to a squad already 20 points better and we spend 70M and we are 11 points behind.

                          We are doing fine and with any luck next season we will have stable back 4, god forbid a stable boardroom (?) and lets take the ****ers on.
                          Nah. He won't win the Prem. You can quote me on that. - Sarb24

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by NICKZS View Post
                            As has been said, there is a fundamental difference between spending money on completely re-modelling a squad and then using that money to improve an already quality side.
                            I think there was a bit too much re-modelling done, bit more than was necessary.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Skillz View Post
                              Last summer we were 20 odd points behind and we spent 70M incl Masher. Manchester United spent 52M and added Tevez, rumoured to cost 30-35M. So at best MU added 82M GBP of talent to a squad already 20 points better and we spend 70M and we are 11 points behind.

                              We are doing fine and with any luck next season we will have stable back 4, god forbid a stable boardroom (?) and lets take the ****ers on.
                              Man Utd havent paid for Tevez...only a loan fee.

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