Transfer Spending &* Squad Costs

[DannyMan2006]

No i wont fook off and support the mancs or chavs...

And virtually everyone agrees that we've had our fill of squaddies, and what we need now are top class players of the Torres ilk - eg £20m level players.

So in conclusion, what are you on about?

FYI Agger and Skrtel cost more than £5m...

The only problem with that is this:

If we get rid of 7 players from within our squad, seven will need to be replaced. 7 £20m players would cost £140m. So just buying £20m players in not realistic.

If you feel any of the youth players are ready then that would of course bring the figure required down. But not many could be considered better or even close to the current potential of the out going players, for example, is Insua eally better than Riise? I s Plessis better than Alonso? Is San Jose better than any of the back 4? Is Nemeth better than Crouch or Voronin?.

[Craig_H]

The only problem with that is this:

If we get rid of 7 players from within our squad, seven will need to be replaced. 7 £20m players would cost £140m. So just buying £20m players in not realistic.

If you feel any of the youth players are ready then that would of course bring the figure required down. But not many could be considered better or even close to the current potential of the out going players, for example, is Insua eally better than Riise? I s Plessis better than Alonso? Is San Jose better than any of the back 4? Is Nemeth better than Crouch or Voronin?.

Who are we getting rid of that's making a contribution that's deemed to need replacing?

If they were making any worthwhile contribution, we wouldnt need to get rid. We can replace them with young players we already have, who cant be any worse. I wouldnt sell Alonso, but Insua is considered to be ready. Nemeth couldnt do any worse than Voronin. The CBs dont need replacing.

[rage]

Who are we getting rid of that's making a contribution that's deemed to need replacing?

If they were making any worthwhile contribution, we wouldnt need to get rid. We can replace them with young players we already have, who cant be any worse. I wouldnt sell Alonso, but Insua is considered to be ready. Nemeth couldnt do any worse than Voronin. The CBs dont need replacing.

what else is a youth policy for

[El Jefecito]

How does your post show comparible spending since the PL began?

It doesn't nor was it intended to. But I can see why you are steering it that way as that is the only argument you can win.

[El Jefecito]

its great this. how about putting up the costs for all the crap squad fillers that have been bought. i don't see gonzales, leto, lucas bellend and **** knows how many keepers we've bought on there.

also signings such as diouf, cisse, morientes, kewell have cost us big time.

really though it doesn't matter whats gone on before this is the biggest transfer window of rafa's life coming up. if he buys 3 players of the calibre of torres and masch we're onto a winner. if he buys squaddies he's finished - by xmas!

Leto: 1.85M
SpeedyG: 1.5M
Lucas: 5.8M

Could of course be offset by Park: 4M, ...

[El Jefecito]

I imagine, when all clauses are met, we'll probably end up having paid £26m. That wont happen for a good while though. Similarly, the mancs wont have paid £51m for Anderson, Nani and Hargreaves for ages either. I'd estimate that trio would have so far cost them (in terms of transfer fees) somewhere in the region of £30m ish.

Furthermore, the mancs include signing on fees and agent fees in their transfer fees, we dont.

You just make this stuff up don't you.

All my #'s are from Wiki, yours appear to have no verifiable source.

[Manofthebog]

No i wont fook off and support the mancs or chavs...

And virtually everyone agrees that we've had our fill of squaddies, and what we need now are top class players of the Torres ilk - eg £20m level players.

So in conclusion, what are you on about?

FYI Agger and Skrtel cost more than £5m...

In conclusion, you really are a self opinionated pompus old fart.

You miss the point, to get a squad of top class players, we have to have a better transfer budget per window of more than 20 million or so, something to date, we have never had.

year upon year, rafa's had to rebuild going from a to b rather than a to z in one hit.

He's recruited the players that he's deemed suitable, squad players whom he can afford, and that's the point.

Now, give him proper money, he will get the top class players, until that point, we cannot go from a 4th place team to a world class team.

[Craig_H]

It doesn't nor was it intended to. But I can see why you are steering it that way as that is the only argument you can win.

That's the only comparison i was making. I'm not arguing about other time periods here.

[Craig_H]

Leto: 1.85M
SpeedyG: 1.5M
Lucas: 5.8M

Could of course be offset by Park: 4M, ...

How can £8.15m be offset by £4m?

[Craig_H]

In conclusion, you really are a self opinionated pompus old fart.

You miss the point, to get a squad of top class players, we have to have a better transfer budget per window of more than 20 million or so, something to date, we have never had.

year upon year, rafa's had to rebuild going from a to b rather than a to z in one hit.

He's recruited the players that he's deemed suitable, squad players whom he can afford, and that's the point.

Now, give him proper money, he will get the top class players, until that point, we cannot go from a 4th place team to a world class team.

Old fart? Are you 60?

So you agree he's built the squad and got the squad players in. Good.

You agree that we need top class players now. Good.

Yet, if we have £20m to spend, you think he should buy 4 more squad players?

[Manofthebog]

Old fart? Are you 60?

So you agree he's built the squad and got the squad players in. Good. - Nope, only the players he can under financial restrictions

You agree that we need top class players now. Good. - some top quality players, but 2/3 still missing

Yet, if we have £20m to spend, you think he should buy 4 more squad players?

So you'd spend 20 million on one player per transfer window? Ok then.

Each to their own.

The point you are missing, and keep missing is the fact that we do not have a bottomless pit of money, that the chavs have, therefore we have to wheel and deal accordingly, now until you get your head around that, we'll keep going around in circles.


Oh, and I suppose you prefered us under Evans and Houllier, I suppose.

I really would love it, if Hicks took over, and Rafa did one, just to see the reaction of certain Liverpool supporters when we have someone like Fat Sam come in.

[El Jefecito]

That's the only comparison i was making. I'm not arguing about other time periods here.

Seeing as how you are using transfers as a stick to beat Rafa with, it just seems a bit odd to consider a time period when he was not here.

[Craig_H]

So you'd spend 20 million on one player per transfer window? Ok then.

Each to their own.

The point you are missing, and keep missing is the fact that we do not have a bottomless pit of money, that the chavs have, therefore we have to wheel and deal accordingly, now until you get your head around that, we'll keep going around in circles.


Oh, and I suppose you prefered us under Evans and Houllier, I suppose.

I really would love it, if Hicks took over, and Rafa did one, just to see the reaction of certain Liverpool supporters when we have someone like Fat Sam come in.

Me missing the point?

You acknowledge that we have enough average squad fillers and that we need to sign world class players.

And then, when i say if we have £20m, we should buy world class players, and only one if that's all we can get with it, as opposed to 4 average squad fillers - and you disagree???

I've said nothing about bottomless pits of money, i've said that we dont need anymore average squad fillers because we have plenty and the difference between us and the top two is that we're short of a couple more world class players.

I'm basically saying the same as you, but your way of avoiding the problem of having average squaddies is to buy more average squaddies?

How bizarre.

[Craig_H]

Seeing as how you are using transfers as a stick to beat Rafa with, it just seems a bit odd to consider a time period when he was not here.

Yes, because that's what i'm doing...

It's actually quite simple, but i'll spell it out to you.

Over the years, we've continually made £20m amounts stretch across 5 players. Result - we have not enough top players.

So, THIS summer, what i'm saying is that it's time we stopped buying the average nobodies because our squad is deep enough, and spend the money on TOP players.

Something i'm yet to be convinced will happen, but we'll see.

Your turn to once again tell me that i've said something completely different to what i'm actually saying

[Reece]

If we get rid of a load of "average squad fillers" though, isn't that going to leave us a bit thread bare?