Transfer Spending &* Squad Costs

[badpiggy]

I imagine, when all clauses are met, we'll probably end up having paid £26m. That wont happen for a good while though. Similarly, the mancs wont have paid £51m for Anderson, Nani and Hargreaves for ages either. I'd estimate that trio would have so far cost them (in terms of transfer fees) somewhere in the region of £30m ish.

Furthermore, the mancs include signing on fees and agent fees in their transfer fees, we dont.

do you think this is a flaw in your argument?

[Tee]

Sami was only 2.6 million??!! Best signing in the history of the PL.

[Craig_H]

do you think this is a flaw in your argument?

None of us have seen the finance documents involved, have we?

So we're all speculating. My opinion isnt the one people want to be true, so they instantly dismiss it.

[Woobus]

None of us have seen the finance documents involved, have we?

So we're all speculating. My opinion isnt the one people want to be true, so they instantly dismiss it.

You could say the same for yourself, you have dismissed other peoples opinions on this thread. Its all guess work but even with guess work it still looks like the United team costs a hell of a lot more than ours.
Even if you use Torres as 26 there is a hell of a lot of difference in all areas of the pitch except keeper.

[Craig_H]

You could say the same for yourself, you have dismissed other peoples opinions on this thread. Its all guess work but even with guess work it still looks like the United team costs a hell of a lot more than ours.
Even if you use Torres as 26 there is a hell of a lot of difference in all areas of the pitch except keeper.

The roundabout is in full swing...

[The Birdman]

Surely it doesn't matter whether we or United have paid full amounts just as long as the same method is applied to both figures.
DJS is saying we paid approx 16m for Torres rising to 26 mill with clauses activated, how do we know this? why can't the 16-20 mill figures widely quoted for Torres be the maximum we pay including the clauses.
The fact is we really don't know, what is indisputable is that we haven't spent anywhere near as much money as the Mancs or Chelsea.
Also if you take this 'since the Premiership began' business then United's figures should look better in comparison to ours as they've had 1 manager, we've had to go through managerial changes which means new managers want to buy their own players.

Also as has been posted elsewhere Fergie inherited the young players, Nevilles, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Butt etc.. were already at United so he had the base or foundation of his squad, he has added to it regularly he hasn't had to completley dismantle someone else's left over **** and buy replacements.

[EwarWoo]

I know I posted it before, but would re-sdtate values are fairly worthless.

He's been reduced too many times to 3rd and 4th choice by the boarddragging their heels, so he's got what he can and we have to be glad he got anything.

[rage]

its great this. how about putting up the costs for all the crap squad fillers that have been bought. i don't see gonzales, leto, lucas bellend and **** knows how many keepers we've bought on there.

also signings such as diouf, cisse, morientes, kewell have cost us big time.

really though it doesn't matter whats gone on before this is the biggest transfer window of rafa's life coming up. if he buys 3 players of the calibre of torres and masch we're onto a winner. if he buys squaddies he's finished - by xmas!

[Manofthebog]

its great this. how about putting up the costs for all the crap squad fillers that have been bought. i don't see gonzales, leto, lucas bellend and **** knows how many keepers we've bought on there.

also signings such as diouf, cisse, morientes, kewell have cost us big time.

really though it doesn't matter whats gone on before this is the biggest transfer window of rafa's life coming up. if he buys 3 players of the calibre of torres and masch we're onto a winner. if he buys squaddies he's finished - by xmas!

Yes, but that all depends on who's in charge.

We get oodles of money, he will buy big, we get the usual Giro cheque, we buy squad fillers.

End of.

[Craig_H]

its great this. how about putting up the costs for all the crap squad fillers that have been bought. i don't see gonzales, leto, lucas bellend and **** knows how many keepers we've bought on there.

also signings such as diouf, cisse, morientes, kewell have cost us big time.

really though it doesn't matter whats gone on before this is the biggest transfer window of rafa's life coming up. if he buys 3 players of the calibre of torres and masch we're onto a winner. if he buys squaddies he's finished - by xmas!

Spot on.

[Craig_H]

Yes, but that all depends on who's in charge.

We get oodles of money, he will buy big, we get the usual Giro cheque, we buy squad fillers.

End of.

If the 'giro cheque' is £20m, why will he buy squad fillers with it?

Why not buy one world class player?

[rage]

Yes, but that all depends on who's in charge.

We get oodles of money, he will buy big, we get the usual Giro cheque, we buy squad fillers.

End of.

no. he can sell and buy. come on regardless of who's in charge he'll have at least a transfer kitty of 20 million. he can easy raise 20-30 million by selling carson, riise, finnan, pennant, yossi, crouch and even kuyt.

that's a transfer kitty in the region of of 50 million.

[dww]

So basically we have **** all reliable data yet both sides of the argument claim that the figures they want to use are best - brilliant.

I'm not really sure what a comparison back to the start of the PL would show really - other than the fact that in a one dimensional (no payment terms, cunning use of exchange rates, agents fees, sign on fees, sell on fees, wages are included) we haven't been a stingy club. But over that period of time we have had a number of managers and any analysis of the current state of play has to focus on the current incumbents surely?

Added to that the fact that over a similar period of time Fergie and Rafa had very different jobs they needed to perform. Fergie had a high level squad which had won things consistently over the previous several years including the league using his methods. Rafa took over a squad which was falling from a lower peak than the United team had achieved and had a lot of players whose style did not suit his way of playing.

The so called 'crap squad players' have mostly been sold on and overall I would suggest that overall the fees have probably nearly balanced out (if you include the likes of Sissoko and Bellamy) all though obviously we can't know for sure. Added to the fact that I think it is unfair to label Leto (work permit problems) and Lucas (young player who has started to show quality) in those terms.

[Whelan5]

Surely it doesn't matter whether we or United have paid full amounts just as long as the same method is applied to both figures.
DJS is saying we paid approx 16m for Torres rising to 26 mill with clauses activated, how do we know this? why can't the 16-20 mill figures widely quoted for Torres be the maximum we pay including the clauses.
The fact is we really don't know, what is indisputable is that we haven't spent anywhere near as much money as the Mancs or Chelsea.
Also if you take this 'since the Premiership began' business then United's figures should look better in comparison to ours as they've had 1 manager, we've had to go through managerial changes which means new managers want to buy their own players.

Also as has been posted elsewhere Fergie inherited the young players, Nevilles, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Butt etc.. were already at United so he had the base or foundation of his squad, he has added to it regularly he hasn't had to completley dismantle someone else's left over **** and buy replacements.

To be fair to Ferguson he didn't inherit those players he brought them through but they weren't at the club when he arrived, they were only about 10 or 11!! He got Giggs from under City's nose remember.

I think if Rafa is still here, which hopefully will be the case, in 10 years he will have a number of similar players in his team and squad.

[Manofthebog]

If the 'giro cheque' is £20m, why will he buy squad fillers with it?

Why not buy one world class player?

But we need more than just one quality player, and blowing 20 million on only one player per transfer window, is not what we do, if you hadn't noticed. Not Rafa's style.