Rafa's alleged contract offer to Crouch....

[Reece]

I don't turn every thread into a Rafa bashing. I've questioned a few potential transfer targets as have many on the site (not just me and Rage), but I've not said I want him sacked. I do actually remember saying that he should get one more season at the Premier League

At the end of the day Crouch is an option. Nowhere near being a regular starter but still can do things when called upon and change games. There is enough bull****ting going on at the club with the two Yanks, without the manager doing it as well.

I think it's clear to everyone that he wants Crouch out so why come out and say 'no I want him to stay'. And I think most find it totally bizarre why Voronin gets in ahead of him. Crouch may lack pace, may not be the toughest, but he's a damn sight better than Voronin. And when Rafa makes decisions like that, then he will be open to questioning I'm afraid

Okay, admittedly you aren't as bad as that rage fella

I agree Crouch is far better than Voronin - and I also found it strange how Voronin got in ahead of him (although that has really only been a couple of game recently), but if he won't sign a new contract then why should Rafa show any sentimentality towards him? And we don't know what goes on behind the scenes - maybe Crouch and Rafa have had a big falling out?

To sum up, I'd really like us to keep Crouch, but he is obviously not happy playing the amount of games he does, and he is never going to be first choice in the system we play, so the best option for all parties is for him to move on IMO.

Didn't mean to get on your back earlier dude, and you are right - I do get a bit defensive of Rafa - but I love the guy

[Pacman]

im a newbie but this place strikes me as similar to rawk

you say anything against rafa and ****ers are in your face

lets face it we will never win the league under rafa and he is a bit fortunate that there is no one about or available to replace him
4th is 4th and no good enough

Not at all mate, you can say what you like about Rafa but when you come out with total and utter cockdribble like i've highlighted above then be prepared for a bit of stick.

[Elvoz]

Houllier and Evans were what you call sentimental managers who looked after players off the pitch and talked to them like a fatherly figure. Both you could say, were successful in their own right but don't look like a force that Benitez is building. Benitez wants a workman like attitude where everyone works hard and plays hard. We have seen (well, maybe I have seen on the pitch after games) Rafa does have a general chat to the players besides tactics and has a good laugh with them. Remember Morientes on the podium after Istanbul?

moro is spanish though

[Joe King]

moro is spanish though

Should that matter?

[Elvoz]

Not at all mate, you can say what you like about Rafa but when you come out with total and utter cockdribble like i've highlighted above then be prepared for a bit of stick.

why is that bollocks ?

you happy with this season ? or last ?

not being funny pal but fans accepting them both as ok are notsetting the bar high enough


i spend bundle on watching lfc home and away and many are not happy

[Reece]

lets face it we will never win the league under rafa and he is a bit fortunate that there is no one about or available to replace him

But you cannot say that for fact can you? So no I won't face it - I believe in the right circumstances we can. I think it is more valid to say we simply won't win the league when we cannot match the mancs and the chavs for spending.

[rage]

You mean say he wants him to stay and then play him in a CL quarter final? Aye what a hypocrite

Some people will find anything to beat Rafa with - and it's usually your or rage.

oy keep me out of it. although now you mention it i do think, like everyone, rafa has his favourites, such as kuyt, lucas and **** knows why voronin

crouch is a strange one really, rafa definitely saw something in him for him to persevere with crouch for 20 odd games without a goal. but somethings happened and he's out of favour.

i'm happy for rafa to sell crouch if thats what he wants to do, i'd rather he spent the money wisely and not on crap like valencia bet hey ho he'll do what he likes - he's the manager.

[Sarb]

Okay, admittedly you aren't as bad as that rage fella

I agree Crouch is far better than Voronin - and I also found it strange how Voronin got in ahead of him (although that has really only been a couple of game recently), but if he won't sign a new contract then why should Rafa show any sentimentality towards him? And we don't know what goes on behind the scenes - maybe Crouch and Rafa have had a big falling out?

To sum up, I'd really like us to keep Crouch, but he is obviously not happy playing the amount of games he does, and he is never going to be first choice in the system we play, so the best option for all parties is for him to move on IMO.

Didn't mean to get on your back earlier dude, and you are right - I do get a bit defensive of Rafa - but I love the guy

That's cool mate. No worries!

[Elvoz]

But you cannot say that for fact can you? So no I won't face it - I believe in the right circumstances we can. I think it is more valid to say we simply won't win the league when we cannot match the mancs and the chavs for spending.

no your right its not a fact but based on what we have all seen its more unlikely than likely

and this season we havent exactly gone forwards

[Pacman]

why is that bollocks ?

you happy with this season ? or last ?

not being funny pal but fans accepting them both as ok are notsetting the bar high enough


i spend bundle on watching lfc home and away and many are not happy

Nope I am not happy with this season with the squad we have we should be closer. but to say we can never win the league under Rafa is bollocks.

As for fans not being happy I bet there are far more who want Rafa as manager of Liverpool.

[Elvoz]

Nope I am not happy with this season with the squad we have but to say we can never win the league under Rafa is bollocks.

As for fans not being happy I bet there are far more who want Rafa as manager of Liverpool.

i cant say for sure we wont
but its more likely than we will

ya follow

and i repeat we have gone backwards this year

who is that down to ?

[Skillz]

im a newbie but this place strikes me as similar to rawk

you say anything against rafa and ****ers are in your face
lets face it we will never win the league under rafa and he is a bit fortunate that there is no one about or available to replace him

4th is 4th and no good enough

It's a football forum. You have your opinion, others have theirs. I think your problem is that you have a piss poor argument and it is easily shot down.

Should those that support Rafa just not post and let all criticisms of him pass without comment?

[saj]

i think he is entitled to be told to his face if rafa wants him to go

Why? Is he bigger than the club or does he/you think because he's been at the club for 10 years he should br treated differently to everyone else? For all we know he's probably already been told he can leave

[Elvoz]

It's a football forum. You have your opinion, others have theirs. I think your problem is that you have a piss poor argument and it is easily shot down.

Should those that support Rafa just not post and let all criticisms of him pass without comment?

yeah its piss poor we have gone forwards eh

[Elvoz]

Why? Is he bigger than the club or does he/you think because he's been at the club for 10 years he should br treated differently to everyone else? For all we know he's probably already been told he can leave

manners
if i worked for someone i would expect the same

would you ?