Rafa's alleged contract offer to Crouch....

[Elvoz]

Why do we have a right to better than 4th when others are outspending us left right and center? When we couldn't afford Alves, Simao, Vidic. Let's face it it's way to easy to lay everything on Rafa.

not laying all the blame at him pal just saying he is entitled to be criticized he bought JP after all

[NICKZS]

...according to Crouch it was "an informal five minute chat". Apparently he's only started 9 out of 38 league games too.

I was a big critic when we signed Crouch and I'll eat my own words and say he's been worth the £7m we spent on him. He gives us an option that when used properly is a real asset.

Someone made this comment on another site...I think the way Crouch and Riise have been treated is quite disgraceful. Granted Riise messed up but he's been here for 7 years. Crouch has been a good servant too.

Personally I'd love him to stay and get a few more games too.

Just don't like the things going on at the club at the moment

I couldn't agree with the use of "disgraceful", I don't know what's that disgraceful about it to be honest. Rafa isn't leaving Crouch unused because he has something against him, he just feels that he has better options available to him (this is a matter of footballing acumen and is a completely different conversation).

And Riise has, to my mind, been treated pretty well. He has even started more games than his form would suggest over the course of the season.

Whilst I feel Crouch should get another contract, I don't think his treatment has been "disgraceful" and, as has already been said, that is Rafa's management style. The same management that signed Crouch when he was one of the biggest figures of ridicule in the whole of English football and turned him into a respected international striker. Crouch owes more to Rafa than the other way round.

[Elvoz]

That part I would say is harsh, to learn from the press that you've been offered as bait. But Riise has made 2 outbursts now, and both of them happened before he was offered as bait.

when where the 2 made pal ?

[El Jefecito]

not laying all the blame at him pal just saying he is entitled to be criticized he bought JP after all

Great argument. You are making my point for me, he only bought JP because he couldn't afford Alves. He's had to buy second best.

[Manofthebog]

i would say we havent gone forwards then - opinions is what its about fella seems the rafa can do no wrong boys are still alive and well

The only question that I've asked on many different forums, is who would you replace him with?

Of course Rafa isn't bullet proof, but who's out there with a better track record than him?

Rafa's in the middle of moulding a team into his team, and will take time without a sugar daddy behind us.

Just sometimes, I'd like rafa to quit, and we get in someone like Martin O'Neil, then we'd see what we were missing.

[Skillz]

i thought you might have to go somewherer

we are 4th - way off the pace maybe you dont see it

nae bother

You state we are no nearer, yet we are. You lose.

I'll be back in a few hours (5) by the way. I wonder if you will still be here, i suspect you may not be. I am confident there are more than enough regulars that will debate your points with ease.

[El Jefecito]

The only question that I've asked on many different forums, is who would you replace him with?

Of course Rafa isn't bullet proof, but who's out there with a better track record than him?

Rafa's in the middle of moulding a team into his team, and will take time without a sugar daddy behind us.

Just sometimes, I'd like rafa to quit, and we get in someone like Martin O'Neil, then we'd see what we were missing.

I've thought the same. Sad isn't it.

[El Jefecito]

i thought you might have to go somewherer

we are 4th - way off the pace maybe you dont see it

nae bother

Do we have more points than last year? Yes or No?

[Elvoz]

Great argument. You are making my point for me, he only bought JP because he couldn't afford Alves. He's had to buy second best.

i wouldnt of bought 2nd best to prove a point that i needed more money

me mrs does stuff like that

[Elvoz]

Do we have more points than last year? Yes or No?

yes

did we go further in the cl this season

yes or no ?

[CAD]

Don't give a ****e about Riise. Whatever comes his way I'm sure he deserves it.

[Elvoz]

houlliers 150 league game record was the same as rafas while we are talkin stats

[Elvoz]

Don't give a ****e about Riise. Whatever comes his way I'm sure he deserves it.

proper fans eh

[NICKZS]

yes

did we go further in the cl this season

yes or no ?

You'd be pretty hard pushed to reach the CL final every year, wouldn't you? Or is this just a prerequisite now?

[Elvoz]

if i knew what a pre wotsit was id tell you

fact is we are 4th - no better in the league

houllier ended up tellin everyone we had more corners than the opposition at one stage - just before any of you start