This 6 + 5 UEFA ruling

[DannyMan2006]

i am sure homegrown is acceptable and nemeth and insua will have been with us from young and for years by the time this comes in so i would go for


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my mate john-------skyrtel------------agger-----------------insua
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cant think of right back

Darby?

Still, Nemeth has played for Hungary U21's so I don't believe he's eligible.

Blatter said you must start with 6 players who are eligible to play for the national side.

So for instance, Almunia who has played in England for nearly 5 years is now eligible for the England squad soon. So he could count as one of Arsenals 6. Was he to play for Spain though, he would no longer be able to be counted as one of the 6.

[lfc1394]

It's a stupid idea anyway. Mainly done to stop English teams from dominating in Europe like they did before they kicked us out last time.

I prefer the whole x amount of kids through the youth system in a matchday squad.

That actually is a positive as it encourages the clubs to develop the youth and gives the kids a chance of actually playing as opposed to a sub standard foreign player.

[BFG]

It's a stupid idea anyway. Mainly done to stop English teams from dominating in Europe like they did before they kicked us out last time.
I prefer the whole x amount of kids through the youth system in a matchday squad.

That actually is a positive as it encourages the clubs to develop the youth and gives the kids a chance of actually playing as opposed to a sub standard foreign player.

That's exactly what the whole thing's about, Blatter doesn't want the Premiership to be so strong in comparison to other leagues in Europe.

I wonder if he loses this how much of UEFA's money he'll have wasted in the process? I imagine taking on EU employment law would cost major money.

[dww]

Not so sure myself. Blatter is not stopping clubs from signing anyone, so there is no restriction of trade. But as FIFA/UEFA run european football, surely there is no way to stop them from implememnting certain rules of the game, like they have for the CL (so many players must be homegrown etc).

There is a clear restriction of trade - albeit indirect in my opinion. I would be shocked if the EU allowed it to happen - although I can see some sort of compromise being made. Which to my mind is what the 'home association trained' CL rules were in the first place. I think that there is actually some room for something sensible to come out of this idea in the long run even if right now everyone is pushing for something ludicrous. My take on it is that it is all posturing before they have to negotiate the real solution.

[El Jefecito]

There is a clear restriction of trade - albeit indirect in my opinion. I would be shocked if the EU allowed it to happen - although I can see some sort of compromise being made. Which to my mind is what the 'home association trained' CL rules were in the first place. I think that there is actually some room for something sensible to come out of this idea in the long run even if right now everyone is pushing for something ludicrous. My take on it is that it is all posturing before they have to negotiate the real solution.

The EU met and discussed this last week. They clearly said 6+5 is restraint of trade and would not be allowed. Platini has gone as far to say that UEFA will not team up with Blatter against the EU.

They also said that the concept of home assocaition trained players is probably not illegal and would probably get through.

[SK]

the only restriction fifa could impose would be that of a maximum of non-EU players in teams, simply because there is no english, welsh, latvian, finnish, spanish etc. in EU. all it matters is the "EU passport" and nothing else, any other restricion is against the EU law

[Scratch]

the only restriction fifa could impose would be that of a maximum of non-EU players in teams, simply because there is no english, welsh, latvian, finnish, spanish etc. in EU. all it matters is the "EU passport" and nothing else, any other restricion is against the EU law

Yeah, but FIFA is not going to restrict the number of EU players in your team, clubs can buy as many as they want. What FIFA/UEFA want to do is limit the number that you field. Quite possibly a loophole they can exploit, cos they aren't restricting freedom of movement, they aren't stopping clubs from buying, or players from moving, all they are doing is saying that in their competition, governed by their rules, you must field such and such on match day. I think they'll find a way to word it so that EU regulations are not breached.

[SK]

Yeah, but FIFA is not going to restrict the number of EU players in your team, clubs can buy as many as they want. What FIFA/UEFA want to do is limit the number that you field. Quite possibly a loophole they can exploit, cos they aren't restricting freedom of movement, they aren't stopping clubs from buying, or players from moving, all they are doing is saying that in their competition, governed by their rules, you must field such and such on match day. I think they'll find a way to word it so that EU regulations are not breached.

it's a breach of rules, simply 'cause you limit someone with a EU passport their chances. the EU rules say that companies(and football clubs are companies) can have employees from anywhere in the EU, and can have as many as they want(need). the rules for those who come to work in a EU country from another EU country, MUST be the same as for "natives" - this goes for health care, social security, wages etc. and limiting anything is prohibited!

the only thing they can limit is the amount of non-EU player either in match-squads or clubs in general, like (i think) they have in spain.

[Henno]

The EU would just see it as discrimination ... just the same as if there were only white players allowed or players from wealthy backgrounds

I cant see it ever getting off the ground (but this is football and anything goes)

the big European clubs would never agree anyway to this because it will stop them dominating and they will have a much smaller pool of talent to draw from ... player fees will increase causing the clubs to spend more to keep up ... as much power as FIFA has it cant take on the the EU and european leagues

[Scratch]

If it is as people say, a restriction, how then have UEFA decreed that clubs must have 6 "homegrown" players in their CL squad of 25 (rising to 8 soon i believe)? Surely this is also a restriction of trade/discrimination etc?

[CAD]

What are the chances of this going through?

I'm sure I read somewhere that a decision is going to made at the end of this month.

Will this delay possible transfer activity even though the window doesn't open until after the decision is made?

Obviously this won't affect us trying to get a deal sorted for Barry or any other English players that Rafa may want to sign asap.

Apologies for the questions, but I've taken **** all interest in this previously.

They way I understand it the EU will block this on free worker movement in the EU. I don't think it has a chance. Sadly.

[SK]

If it is as people say, a restriction, how then have UEFA decreed that clubs must have 6 "homegrown" players in their CL squad of 25 (rising to 8 soon i believe)? Surely this is also a restriction of trade/discrimination etc?

think i read somewhere that the uefa rule does not reference nationality of players as a restriction just that they have to play in the country of the club they are registered in european competition, for two years before the age of 20 or something like that, and in that case nemeth, insua and the lot qualify as homegrown players.

[BFG]

If it is as people say, a restriction, how then have UEFA decreed that clubs must have 6 "homegrown" players in their CL squad of 25 (rising to 8 soon i believe)? Surely this is also a restriction of trade/discrimination etc?

In the case of the Champions League the homegrown rule means that you could still have a full matchday squad of non English players so it doesn't actually make much difference to the picking of a team whereas the 6+5 rule would massively influence it and therefore impinge on players employment rights.

[El Jefecito]

think i read somewhere that the uefa rule does not reference nationality of players as a restriction just that they have to play in the country of the club they are registered in european competition, for two years before the age of 20 or something like that, and in that case nemeth, insua and the lot qualify as homegrown players.

Is correct, as long as the rules are not based on nationality then the EU is ok with them.