A question for all the worried/negative people here

[Nicey]

we will win the league i have no doubt

it probably suits us that so many are writing us off

we are top of the league ffs

You continue to grow on me


Young man

[vlahka]

Its all well and good to claim we will win/lose the season, or call others pessimistic/optimistic/blind for not supporting the team or otherwise. But I'd really be interested in seeing how opinions would or wouldnt change if we were to put money on which outcome we expect. 10pounds says we win or we lose the season. Would be extremely interesting to see who 'supports' either view. To be totally honest I think more would lean towards not win the season. I think you're all a little too mean towards each other. Thread needs more hugs and kisses.

[barnes10]

Or looking at it another way, United have dropped 3 points to us over 14 games, therefore over the full season of 38 games, they should finish 8.142857 points behind us (approximately). Mathematically, that is just as valid as your argument, but football is slightly more than mathematics.

my 'maths' was only there to show how you can skew figures to suit an argument. in response to another point saying something like 'they've only gained 2 points on us over a month' or something like that. my point is that the maths shouldn't gloss over the fact we're looking to be in a bit of a rut.

my reasons for being pessimistic at the moment is because we're playing sh1t and no longer getting away with it whilst man u look to be turning the corner. end of story.

we have to get out of this rut and start scoring.

[Jack D Rips]

I think the realism thing comes from the fact that despite results we have been playing poorly for most of the season. Yes you can look at 3 home draws that should have been wins, but equally you can look at games we were very lucky to win or draw.

Exceptions were against the Mancs and Chelsea, but I cant remember many other matches where we played well and got a result because of this.

Add to this that I dont believe we have improved our squad much if any this season ,and certainly comparing our strength in depth to the other top teams makes depressing reading.

Yes its great to be top of the league in December and I hope it continues to May. But the points above are what put me in the "realistic" camp.

A good performance tomorrow and it might all change

[Neil Young]

I think the realism thing comes from the fact that despite results we have been playing poorly for most of the season. Yes you can look at 3 home draws that should have been wins, but equally you can look at games we were very lucky to win or draw.

Exceptions were against the Mancs and Chelsea, but I cant remember many other matches where we played well and got a result because of this.

Add to this that I dont believe we have improved our squad much if any this season ,and certainly comparing our strength in depth to the other top teams makes depressing reading.

Yes its great to be top of the league in December and I hope it continues to May. But the points above are what put me in the "realistic" camp.

A good performance tomorrow and it might all change

If there are two camps then they're simply positive and negative (or you might call them optimistic and pessimistic).

"Realistic" is not a neutral term so maybe everyone could stop using it to describe themselves since it is necessarily rude and dismissive towards people who hold a contrary opinion.

[Jack D Rips]

If there are two camps then they're simply positive and negative (or you might call them optimistic and pessimistic).

"Realistic" is not a neutral term so maybe everyone could stop using it to describe themselves since it is necessarily rude and dismissive towards people who hold a contrary opinion.

Neil if I feel that you or anyone elses views are unrealistic I will tell you that. Its not meant to be rude or dismissive.

I believe that my views at this moment in time are more realistic than those who see the glass as half full.

And like I say future results will hopefully cause me to revise my views

[Neil Young]

Neil if I feel that you or anyone elses views are unrealistic I will tell you that. Its not meant to be rude or dismissive.

I believe that my views at this moment in time are more realistic than those who see the glass as half full.

And like I say future results will hopefully cause me to revise my views

You are completely missing the point. Your assertion that you are being more realistic than anyone else is based on nothing more than your opinion. You can't back it up here and now and yet the clear and inevitable implication is that people who disagree with you are necessarily being "unrealistic."

Some synonyms for "unrealistic" from dictionary.com:

blue sky, floating, gone, half-baked, impossible, impracticable, impractical, improbable, ivory-tower, nonrealistic, nonsensical, not applicable, not sensible, on cloud nine, quixotic, reachy, romantic, silly, starry-eyed, theoretical, unreal, unworkable

So when you praise yourself for being "realistic" you are inevitably calling other people's opinions half-baked, nonsensical and silly. That's rude, eh?

On the other hand calling yourself negative about the future or pessimistic is simply a statement of fact and is no better or worse than being positive or optimistic.

[Jack D Rips]

Build a bridge Neil

And the dictionary definition of that is "grow up"

[Neil Young]

Build a bridge Neil

And the dictionary definition of that is "grow up"

Reading it back my post is much harsher than intended although I stand by the point.

[Jack D Rips]

Reading it back my post is much harsher than intended although I stand by the point.

[captain-caveman]

It's not negative. It's realistic

I can't remember the last time we were top come December. However, I can remember quite clearly dropping points against mediocre teams on many a occasion in the past and recent times.

And being top in December is something we should expect with the amount of money that has been shelled out over the years

Anyone remember being 11 points clear in the 01-02 season in December and then ending up coming second to Ansenal.

I personally don't think we will hit a run that bad again because we have a stronger team and healthier manager. I cant remember for sure but wasn't it due to Houlliers Health we messed up that season.