"Respecting" Weaker Teams (Plus A Bit of Panto)

[Nicey]

i used to think you had a bit of an idea mate tbh

now i know i was wrong

You are taking out of your ****ing Arse mate ,.. I cant be ****ing bothered to go back and list all the **** teams who have beaten or drawn against .. the Premiership Champions of the last 5 years ..

[Elvoz]

You are taking out of your ****ing Arse mate ,.. I cant be ****ing bothered to go back and list all the **** teams who have beaten or drawn against .. the Premiership Champions of the last 5 years ..

tell you what

list me the league winners home draws fella

will make it easier

[dww]

Nicey, League Champions don't drop points against average teams at home as regularly and consistently as we do.

We don't have a ruthless mentality in the team and are never set up to go and hammer teams either

To be fair in the last few years the league champions have dropped very few points. All the teams challenging this year have dropped far more points than would have been expected in the previous few seasons.

[bobbyfallon]

uniteds home form last year was impressive to be fair to them.




[edit] Results
Home \ Away1 ARS AST BIR BLA BOL CHE DER EVE FUL LIV MNC MNU MID NEW POR REA SUN TOT WHU WIG
Arsenal 1–1 1–1 2–0 2–0 1–0 5–0 1–0 2–1 1–1 1–0 2–2 1–1 3–0 3–1 2–0 3–2 2–1 2–0 2–0
Aston Villa 1–2 5–1 1–1 4–0 2–0 2–0 2–0 2–1 1–2 1–1 1–4 1–1 4–1 1–3 3–1 0–1 2–1 1–0 0–2
Birmingham City 2–2 1–2 4–1 1–0 0–1 1–1 1–1 1–1 2–2 3–1 0–1 3–0 1–1 0–2 1–1 2–2 4–1 0–1 3–2
Blackburn Rovers 1–1 0–4 2–1 4–1 0–1 3–1 0–0 1–1 0–0 1–0 1–1 1–1 3–1 0–1 4–2 1–0 1–1 0–1 3–1
Bolton Wanderers 2–3 1–1 3–0 1–2 0–1 1–0 1–2 0–0 1–3 0–0 1–0 0–0 1–3 0–1 3–0 2–0 1–1 1–0 4–1
Chelsea 2–1 4–4 3–2 0–0 1–1 6–1 1–1 0–0 0–0 6–0 2–1 1–0 2–1 1–0 1–0 2–0 2–0 1–0 1–1
Derby County 2–6 0–6 1–2 1–2 1–1 0–2 0–2 2–2 1–2 1–1 0–1 0–1 1–0 2–2 0–4 0–0 0–3 0–5 0–1
Everton 1–4 2–2 3–1 1–1 2–0 0–1 1–0 3–0 1–2 1–0 0–1 2–0 3–1 3–1 1–0 7–1 0–0 1–1 2–1
Fulham 0–3 2–1 2–0 2–2 2–1 1–2 0–0 1–0 0–2 3–3 0–3 1–2 0–1 0–2 3–1 1–3 3–3 0–1 1–1
Liverpool 1–1 2–2 0–0 3–1 4–0 1–1 6–0 1–0 2–0 1–0 0–1 3–2 3–0 4–1 2–1 3–0 2–2 4–0 1–1
Manchester City 1–3 1–0 1–0 2–2 4–2 0–2 1–0 0–2 2–3 0–0 1–0 3–1 3–1 3–1 2–1 1–0 2–1 1–1 0–0
Manchester United 2–1 4–0 1–0 2–0 2–0 2–0 4–1 2–1 2–0 3–0 1–2 4–1 6–0 2–0 0–0 1–0 1–0 4–1 4–0
Middlesbrough 2–1 0–3 2–0 1–2 0–1 0–2 1–0 0–2 1–0 1–1 8–1 2–2 2–2 2–0 0–1 2–2 1–1 1–2 1–0
Newcastle United 1–1 0–0 2–1 0–1 0–0 0–2 2–2 3–2 2–0 0–3 0–2 1–5 1–1 1–4 3–0 2–0 3–1 3–1 1–0
Portsmouth 0–0 2–0 4–2 0–1 3–1 1–1 3–1 0–0 0–1 0–0 0–0 1–1 0–1 0–0 7–4 1–0 0–1 0–0 2–0
Reading 1–3 1–2 2–1 0–0 0–2 1–2 1–0 1–0 0–2 3–1 2–0 0–2 1–1 2–1 0–2 2–1 0–1 0–3 2–1
Sunderland 0–1 1–1 2–0 1–2 3–1 0–1 1–0 0–1 1–1 0–2 1–2 0–4 3–2 1–1 2–0 2–1 1–0 2–1 2–0
Tottenham Hotspur 1–3 4–4 2–3 1–2 1–1 4–4 4–0 1–3 5–1 0–2 2–1 1–1 1–1 1–4 2–0 6–4 2–0 4–0 4–0
West Ham United 0–1 2–2 1–1 2–1 1–1 0–4 2–1 0–2 2–1 1–0 0–2 2–1 3–0 2–2 0–1 1–1 3–1 1–1 1–1
Wigan Athletic 0–0 1–2 2–0 5–3 1–0 0–2 2–0 1–2 1–1 0–1 1–1 0–2 1–0 1–0 0–2 0–0 3–0 1–1 1–0

[Nicey]

wasting your time mate he hasnt got a clue

Who the **** are you to say I dont have a clue....

Manchester United Champions .. 2007 - 2008 lost against Man City Twice home and away, West Ham, Bolton Wanders they drew against Boro, Blackburn and Spurs

Manchester United Champions .. 2006 - 2007 Lost to West Ham home and away, drew against Reading, Man City, Pompey, Boro

Chelsea Champions 2005 - 2006 lost to Blackburn, Fulham, Man City drew to Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Everton

So dont ****ing tell me Title winners dont drop points against crap teams ...****ing morons

[Elvoz]

You are taking out of your ****ing Arse mate ,.. I cant be ****ing bothered to go back and list all the **** teams who have beaten or drawn against .. the Premiership Champions of the last 5 years ..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R1iAtoX9DKk

[Elvoz]

Who the **** are you to say I dont have a clue....

Manchester United Champions .. 2007 - 2008 lost against Man City Twice home and away, West Ham, Bolton Wanders they drew against Boro, Blackburn and Spurs

Manchester United Champions .. 2006 - 2007 Lost to West Ham home and away, drew against Reading, Man City, Pompey, Boro

Chelsea Champions 2005 - 2006 lost to Blackburn, Fulham, Man City drew to Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Everton

So dont ****ing tell me Title winners dont drop points against crap teams ...****ing morons

just home kid come on keep up
and "respect" me please

[dww]

This is getting tedious - leave the sniping out and start showing some respect to fellow posters please.

[Sarb]

We're talking about home matches and our failure to beat rubbish at home then talking about respecting weaker teams. Elvoz is right.

How many points have been dropped by previous league champions at home against weaker opposition?

[Harv]

You deleted my post you *******!!

[bobbyfallon]

You deleted my post you *******!!

who said that

[Tee]

There is a real arrogance in your posts and attitude voz, rage and one or two others I can't be bothered to mention.

We all believe we should be turning over teams like Hull, Fulham, West Ham etc, but you must understand not all of us think it is our divine right to win these games. What is so hard to understand about that?

This is an absolute joke of a thread. Really disappoints me when supporters are near on abused or shot down for having the gall to suggest that we should not take for granted that we will win every game against the so called smaller teams.

Arrogance is not a word I associate with Liverpool FC - if anything we have a humbleness and humility which is borne out of the general respect, yes respect, we show opponents in victory and defeat. FFS.

Unbelievable. Really.

[dww]

We're talking about home matches and our failure to beat rubbish at home then talking about respecting weaker teams. Elvoz is right.

How many points have been dropped by previous league champions at home against weaker opposition?

My point is that such a discussion is probably not all that meaningful. My initial point is that this season so far has shown that the top teams are more likely to loose points home and away than in previous seasons. While there may well be a correlation with winning at home and winning the league there is also likely to be one between beating your immediate rivals and winning the league. Why focus on the former where we are doing badly rather than the latter where we are doing well.

We have to keep up our performance relative to the other top teams to win the league. That will probably mean getting better at home - not sure anyone is disputing that.

I talk about respecting the weaker teams before the games win or loose. I think it depends on what one means by respect really as to whether there is any point in this thread at all. We should acknowledge when other teams play well and accept that sometimes we will not win because of their over performance and not our poor performance. There is very little, possibly no, evidence that we should be achieving consistent many goals to nil victories which is what some people seem to expect. yes we should have an expectation of beating weaker teams more often but that doesn't seem to be antithetical to having respect for them to me.

I just think people are getting on their high horses trying to make out that their views are superior to others as they dislike a turn of phrase others used and want to be seen as somehow 'better' supporters. I think the whole discussion in those terms is tiresome and largely held for the purposes of self aggrandizement.

[Nicey]

just home kid come on keep up
and "respect" me please

Respect is earnt mate .. being a old ******* you should know that ..

Chelsea in the 2005 season drew against 5 teams at Home mate .. Man City, Bolton, Spurs, Birmingham, and the gunners .. and funnily enough they still won the Title

[rage]

i'm right behind u dave, rafa out!