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    Probably a can of worms, but thought this article was worth reprinting here nonetheless....

    Written by Gimme5, Thursday, 18th December 2008
    Lfc Online

    Back in the 70's and 80's football managers were appointed and left to do their job without outside influence.

    They had scouts who looked out for potential new signings and if they reported back about a player the manager decided whether or not to try to sign him. The manager was given free reign to choose a team and tactics that he thought would be the most successful. The supporter's role was to turn up every Saturday, cheer on the eleven players the manager had picked and hope for victory.

    The 90's changed a lot. The introduction of Sky TV and the money it offered to big, successful clubs, meant there was a demand for 'sexy football' to entice television viewers to buy satellite dishes and subscribe to premium sports channels. Each season more and more games were televised live, spawning a glut of pundits, usually recruited from the pool of former players who weren't good enough to go into management. These pundits were employed to dissect the events on the field, criticise team selections and tactics and speculate about behind the scenes issues.

    As we welcomed in the new millenium we saw the rise of the internet which empowered each and every one of us to have our own little soapbox in our own corner of cyberspace. Suddenly we were all pundits. Experience of team tactics and the abilities of foreign footballers playing in far off leagues gleaned from football management games allowed somebody who previously had know knowledge of the game to appear an expert. Football fan websites sprang up all over the net, each with their own forum allowing visitors to have their say. The anonymity offered by this public fora meant that an adolescent child could pretend to be a wise man of the world and a wise man of the world could resort to acting like an adolescent child, and both did on an all too regular basis.

    Blogs were also launched, allowing anyone who is able to fill in a basic online form the ability to rant about anything they liked, and have control over the responses received. The web began to embrace the new freedom of speech and the term 'citizen journalism' was born. Social media webites sprang up allowing likeminded individuals to group together and it wasn't long before everyone realised that these networks could be used to launch campaigns, from bringing back the Wispa bar, to forcing the BBXC to sack misbehaving DJs. Television companies took this one step further, introducing talent shows which gave viewers the impression that they could influence the outcome when in reality the judges still had overall control.

    So how have these developments affected football? A quick look at the fan forum of any team that has just lost a game or, in Liverpool's case, failed to win comfortably, and you will see the results. A mass of screaming knee jerk reactions from people who quite possibly care more about their credibility in the school playground the following day than the fortunes of their club over the course of the season. There are fans who can see the bigger picture, realise that their team can't win by four goals each and every game and that players are only human and can have off days, but forum software doesn't take into account the value and quality of contributions, just the number of posts and threads made. Ten loud-mouthed children who have only followed a match by logging in at the final whistle to check the result are able to flood the forum with negativity, while a fan who actually watched the game is still stuck in traffic on the way home.

    There are plenty of supporters who see the positives in a game, even when it hasn't gone to plan, and hope we can improve on the negatives. Unfortunately, for every one of these there are a dozen soothsayers who only ever appear after a defeat and blindly predict gloom and doom with an 'I told you' attitude. The only method of dealing with these people is to ignore them. They thrive on acceptance by their peers and refuse to allow difference of opinion. By ignoring them you aren't contributing to their moment in the spotlight. This won't make them go away, they will be back the next time we lose or the next time one of the disliked players misses a shot, but it doesn't give them the attention they seek.

    The worrying aspect of this whole mob rule culture is that it has now spread to Anfield. For the first time in many years, and loudly than I've ever heard it, I hear the boos of fans around all four sides of the ground when the team has underperformed. The Liverpool Way is more than just a fanzine. It is a behaviour and attitude developed over time, not just by the team on the field but also the crowd in the stands. We sing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' (including the final chorus) before every game, we applaud the opposition keeper when he's taking his place at the Kop end goal and, most important of all, we don't boo our own. While most of the matchgoing fans have failed to adhere to the first two for some time now, its the rise of the third which is of most concern.

    Let fans of other clubs verbally abuse their own and throw their season tickets onto the pitch, and feel free to mock them for doing so. But never boo your own. Let the manager criticise them for their poor performance in the privacy of the dressing room and moan about them as much as you like in the pub after the game, but never boo your own. Liverpool fans have been respected around the world for their support of the team for decades. Let's not lose that for the sake of a few dropped points and missed shots.
    I could not dig, I dared not rob:
    Therefore I lied to please the mob.
    Now all my lies are proved untrue
    And I must face the men I slew.
    What tale shall serve me here among
    Mine angry and defrauded young?

    #2
    Good post.

    Anyhow, if it meant a better team performance in the next match I would boo, but it doesn't - only makes the players nervous about playing at home, as shown by us and Chelsea.
    Forwards.......

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      #3
      Very good post and something a lot of fans could learn from!

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        #4
        He is spot on, booing does nothing positive towards the team and will only cause further damage.

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          #5
          Fantastic article

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            #6
            Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
            Probably a can of worms, but thought this article was worth reprinting here nonetheless....

            Written by Gimme5, Thursday, 18th December 2008
            Lfc Online

            Back in the 70's and 80's football managers were appointed and left to do their job without outside influence.

            They had scouts who looked out for potential new signings and if they reported back about a player the manager decided whether or not to try to sign him. The manager was given free reign to choose a team and tactics that he thought would be the most successful. The supporter's role was to turn up every Saturday, cheer on the eleven players the manager had picked and hope for victory.

            The 90's changed a lot. The introduction of Sky TV and the money it offered to big, successful clubs, meant there was a demand for 'sexy football' to entice television viewers to buy satellite dishes and subscribe to premium sports channels. Each season more and more games were televised live, spawning a glut of pundits, usually recruited from the pool of former players who weren't good enough to go into management. These pundits were employed to dissect the events on the field, criticise team selections and tactics and speculate about behind the scenes issues.

            As we welcomed in the new millenium we saw the rise of the internet which empowered each and every one of us to have our own little soapbox in our own corner of cyberspace. Suddenly we were all pundits. Experience of team tactics and the abilities of foreign footballers playing in far off leagues gleaned from football management games allowed somebody who previously had know knowledge of the game to appear an expert. Football fan websites sprang up all over the net, each with their own forum allowing visitors to have their say. The anonymity offered by this public fora meant that an adolescent child could pretend to be a wise man of the world and a wise man of the world could resort to acting like an adolescent child, and both did on an all too regular basis.

            Blogs were also launched, allowing anyone who is able to fill in a basic online form the ability to rant about anything they liked, and have control over the responses received. The web began to embrace the new freedom of speech and the term 'citizen journalism' was born. Social media webites sprang up allowing likeminded individuals to group together and it wasn't long before everyone realised that these networks could be used to launch campaigns, from bringing back the Wispa bar, to forcing the BBXC to sack misbehaving DJs. Television companies took this one step further, introducing talent shows which gave viewers the impression that they could influence the outcome when in reality the judges still had overall control.

            So how have these developments affected football? A quick look at the fan forum of any team that has just lost a game or, in Liverpool's case, failed to win comfortably, and you will see the results. A mass of screaming knee jerk reactions from people who quite possibly care more about their credibility in the school playground the following day than the fortunes of their club over the course of the season. There are fans who can see the bigger picture, realise that their team can't win by four goals each and every game and that players are only human and can have off days, but forum software doesn't take into account the value and quality of contributions, just the number of posts and threads made. Ten loud-mouthed children who have only followed a match by logging in at the final whistle to check the result are able to flood the forum with negativity, while a fan who actually watched the game is still stuck in traffic on the way home.

            There are plenty of supporters who see the positives in a game, even when it hasn't gone to plan, and hope we can improve on the negatives. Unfortunately, for every one of these there are a dozen soothsayers who only ever appear after a defeat and blindly predict gloom and doom with an 'I told you' attitude. The only method of dealing with these people is to ignore them. They thrive on acceptance by their peers and refuse to allow difference of opinion. By ignoring them you aren't contributing to their moment in the spotlight. This won't make them go away, they will be back the next time we lose or the next time one of the disliked players misses a shot, but it doesn't give them the attention they seek.

            The worrying aspect of this whole mob rule culture is that it has now spread to Anfield. For the first time in many years, and loudly than I've ever heard it, I hear the boos of fans around all four sides of the ground when the team has underperformed. The Liverpool Way is more than just a fanzine. It is a behaviour and attitude developed over time, not just by the team on the field but also the crowd in the stands. We sing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' (including the final chorus) before every game, we applaud the opposition keeper when he's taking his place at the Kop end goal and, most important of all, we don't boo our own. While most of the matchgoing fans have failed to adhere to the first two for some time now, its the rise of the third which is of most concern.

            Let fans of other clubs verbally abuse their own and throw their season tickets onto the pitch, and feel free to mock them for doing so. But never boo your own. Let the manager criticise them for their poor performance in the privacy of the dressing room and moan about them as much as you like in the pub after the game, but never boo your own. Liverpool fans have been respected around the world for their support of the team for decades. Let's not lose that for the sake of a few dropped points and missed shots.
            Quite a few great pointers there bud

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              #7
              wonder if he thought the same in houllier's last season?

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                #8
                Brilliant article. Wonder how many of rage's posts he's read.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MrMichael View Post
                  Probably a can of worms, but thought this article was worth reprinting here nonetheless....

                  Written by Gimme5, Thursday, 18th December 2008
                  Lfc Online

                  Back in the 70's and 80's football managers were appointed and left to do their job without outside influence.

                  They had scouts who looked out for potential new signings and if they reported back about a player the manager decided whether or not to try to sign him. The manager was given free reign to choose a team and tactics that he thought would be the most successful. The supporter's role was to turn up every Saturday, cheer on the eleven players the manager had picked and hope for victory.

                  The 90's changed a lot. The introduction of Sky TV and the money it offered to big, successful clubs, meant there was a demand for 'sexy football' to entice television viewers to buy satellite dishes and subscribe to premium sports channels. Each season more and more games were televised live, spawning a glut of pundits, usually recruited from the pool of former players who weren't good enough to go into management. These pundits were employed to dissect the events on the field, criticise team selections and tactics and speculate about behind the scenes issues.

                  As we welcomed in the new millenium we saw the rise of the internet which empowered each and every one of us to have our own little soapbox in our own corner of cyberspace. Suddenly we were all pundits. Experience of team tactics and the abilities of foreign footballers playing in far off leagues gleaned from football management games allowed somebody who previously had know knowledge of the game to appear an expert. Football fan websites sprang up all over the net, each with their own forum allowing visitors to have their say. The anonymity offered by this public fora meant that an adolescent child could pretend to be a wise man of the world and a wise man of the world could resort to acting like an adolescent child, and both did on an all too regular basis.

                  Blogs were also launched, allowing anyone who is able to fill in a basic online form the ability to rant about anything they liked, and have control over the responses received. The web began to embrace the new freedom of speech and the term 'citizen journalism' was born. Social media webites sprang up allowing likeminded individuals to group together and it wasn't long before everyone realised that these networks could be used to launch campaigns, from bringing back the Wispa bar, to forcing the BBXC to sack misbehaving DJs. Television companies took this one step further, introducing talent shows which gave viewers the impression that they could influence the outcome when in reality the judges still had overall control.

                  So how have these developments affected football? A quick look at the fan forum of any team that has just lost a game or, in Liverpool's case, failed to win comfortably, and you will see the results. A mass of screaming knee jerk reactions from people who quite possibly care more about their credibility in the school playground the following day than the fortunes of their club over the course of the season. There are fans who can see the bigger picture, realise that their team can't win by four goals each and every game and that players are only human and can have off days, but forum software doesn't take into account the value and quality of contributions, just the number of posts and threads made. Ten loud-mouthed children who have only followed a match by logging in at the final whistle to check the result are able to flood the forum with negativity, while a fan who actually watched the game is still stuck in traffic on the way home.

                  There are plenty of supporters who see the positives in a game, even when it hasn't gone to plan, and hope we can improve on the negatives. Unfortunately, for every one of these there are a dozen soothsayers who only ever appear after a defeat and blindly predict gloom and doom with an 'I told you' attitude. The only method of dealing with these people is to ignore them. They thrive on acceptance by their peers and refuse to allow difference of opinion. By ignoring them you aren't contributing to their moment in the spotlight. This won't make them go away, they will be back the next time we lose or the next time one of the disliked players misses a shot, but it doesn't give them the attention they seek.

                  The worrying aspect of this whole mob rule culture is that it has now spread to Anfield. For the first time in many years, and loudly than I've ever heard it, I hear the boos of fans around all four sides of the ground when the team has underperformed. The Liverpool Way is more than just a fanzine. It is a behaviour and attitude developed over time, not just by the team on the field but also the crowd in the stands. We sing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' (including the final chorus) before every game, we applaud the opposition keeper when he's taking his place at the Kop end goal and, most important of all, we don't boo our own. While most of the matchgoing fans have failed to adhere to the first two for some time now, its the rise of the third which is of most concern.

                  Let fans of other clubs verbally abuse their own and throw their season tickets onto the pitch, and feel free to mock them for doing so. But never boo your own. Let the manager criticise them for their poor performance in the privacy of the dressing room and moan about them as much as you like in the pub after the game, but never boo your own. Liverpool fans have been respected around the world for their support of the team for decades. Let's not lose that for the sake of a few dropped points and missed shots.
                  Great to see Elvoz get a mention
                  Anybody who criticizes Klopp ever is a James Blunt. Nov 2015
                  #****CITY

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                    #10

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                      #11
                      worth copying and pasting across from the news section.

                      Dec 17 2008 by Andy Proudfoot,
                      Liverpool Daily Post



                      SINGLE-MINDED, self-assured and confident?

                      Or bloody-minded, stubborn and unbending? My suspicions that Rafa’s thought processes might have been slightly disturbed by his minor car accident on Thursday were first aroused by his uncharacteristic declaration that we were 80% certain to win the League if we were still top at Christmas.

                      Such precise calculations brought predictable derision, recalling the pronouncements of the ridiculed ex-FA coaching guru Charles Hughes and his Positions of Maximum Opportunity.

                      My concerns were heightened by aspects of the team selection, which showed definite evidence of short (and indeed long) term memory loss. No problem, let’s just remind Rafa of a few basic things he’s clearly forgotten.

                      One: DIrk Kuyt cannot play centre-forward.

                      A quick viewing of the 2007 Champions League Final will soon confirm this, or indeed any other of the matches in which this has been tried. You converted Dirk into an effective, workhorse winger, you’re just confusing him now. Two: We don’t need two holding midfield players at home against Hull. Especially if one of them looks as if he’s still not sure whether he’s in Beijing, Buenos Aires or Bolton. Leave one out, and we can then play two forwards – simple maths.

                      Three: We have one £20m+ striker injured; but we do have another one.

                      Omitting Robbie Keane in Torres’ absence, and after his promising second-half performance in Eindhoven, suggested that he was confusing him with Peter Crouch. Unlikely I know, but hey, concussion is a funny thing.

                      If we needed any further evidence that Rafa’s thinking was clouded, it was delivered in spades as the afternoon wore on.

                      This might not have immediately been discernible to the untutored eye, given that his substitutions have shown aberrant behaviour in the past, but seasoned Kopites will have spotted that the replacements effected in the second-half defied any rational explanation. Nevertheless, Rafa attempted one after the match. We needed to bring on the wingers, he explained, so we could get round the back of their defence.

                      Plausible enough, until you realise that you still need someone to bang the crosses into the net. Even if the manfully striving Kuyt was not to be sacrificed, how about putting on another forward (the aforementioned £20m+ striker) to capitalise on them?

                      As opposed to another midfield player attempting to pass their way through the middle? You see how the delusional can rationalise their actions, until you start to pick apart their reasoning? Tony Hill from Wire in the Blood would have spotted it.

                      So the best thing for all concerned will be to leave the manager in a darkened room for a little while, perhaps applying some gentle massage to the bump on his head, and shooing away the cartoon sparrows twittering round it.

                      Normal service will soon be restored, and Rafa will rediscover his sense of adventure and trust the judgement he exercised when spending £20m just four months ago, rather than the warped variety he exhibited on Saturday.

                      And the unfortunate lady who collided with him last Thursday might be well advised to retain the services of the City’s finest legal eagle, lest she find herself the object of 40,000 claims of consequential damage to our title hopes.

                      time to open eyes and take fingers out of ears?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by rage View Post
                        time to open eyes and take fingers out of ears?
                        Or maybe it's time to carp on about something else.

                        IMO all this Rafa-bashing is ruining this forum and, in my book, you, Craig and, especially, Sarb are the worst offenders. No-one minds you having a different opinion from most of the rest of us and no-one minds you expressing it. However I really do believe you need to stop shoving it down out throats at every opportunity.

                        In short, you've made your point. Give it a rest, please, mate.
                        .
                        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



                        May the Lord bless this post.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by rage View Post
                          worth copying and pasting across from the news section.

                          Dec 17 2008 by Andy Proudfoot,
                          Liverpool Daily Post



                          SINGLE-MINDED, self-assured and confident?

                          Or bloody-minded, stubborn and unbending? My suspicions that Rafa’s thought processes might have been slightly disturbed by his minor car accident on Thursday were first aroused by his uncharacteristic declaration that we were 80% certain to win the League if we were still top at Christmas.

                          Such precise calculations brought predictable derision, recalling the pronouncements of the ridiculed ex-FA coaching guru Charles Hughes and his Positions of Maximum Opportunity.

                          My concerns were heightened by aspects of the team selection, which showed definite evidence of short (and indeed long) term memory loss. No problem, let’s just remind Rafa of a few basic things he’s clearly forgotten.

                          One: DIrk Kuyt cannot play centre-forward.

                          A quick viewing of the 2007 Champions League Final will soon confirm this, or indeed any other of the matches in which this has been tried. You converted Dirk into an effective, workhorse winger, you’re just confusing him now. Two: We don’t need two holding midfield players at home against Hull. Especially if one of them looks as if he’s still not sure whether he’s in Beijing, Buenos Aires or Bolton. Leave one out, and we can then play two forwards – simple maths.

                          Three: We have one £20m+ striker injured; but we do have another one.

                          Omitting Robbie Keane in Torres’ absence, and after his promising second-half performance in Eindhoven, suggested that he was confusing him with Peter Crouch. Unlikely I know, but hey, concussion is a funny thing.

                          If we needed any further evidence that Rafa’s thinking was clouded, it was delivered in spades as the afternoon wore on.

                          This might not have immediately been discernible to the untutored eye, given that his substitutions have shown aberrant behaviour in the past, but seasoned Kopites will have spotted that the replacements effected in the second-half defied any rational explanation. Nevertheless, Rafa attempted one after the match. We needed to bring on the wingers, he explained, so we could get round the back of their defence.

                          Plausible enough, until you realise that you still need someone to bang the crosses into the net. Even if the manfully striving Kuyt was not to be sacrificed, how about putting on another forward (the aforementioned £20m+ striker) to capitalise on them?

                          As opposed to another midfield player attempting to pass their way through the middle? You see how the delusional can rationalise their actions, until you start to pick apart their reasoning? Tony Hill from Wire in the Blood would have spotted it.

                          So the best thing for all concerned will be to leave the manager in a darkened room for a little while, perhaps applying some gentle massage to the bump on his head, and shooing away the cartoon sparrows twittering round it.

                          Normal service will soon be restored, and Rafa will rediscover his sense of adventure and trust the judgement he exercised when spending £20m just four months ago, rather than the warped variety he exhibited on Saturday.

                          And the unfortunate lady who collided with him last Thursday might be well advised to retain the services of the City’s finest legal eagle, lest she find herself the object of 40,000 claims of consequential damage to our title hopes.

                          time to open eyes and take fingers out of ears?

                          He's been excellent on the right for us this season in the 442 and 4231, but he's not a centre forward. Please Rafa don't play him there on Sunday
                          Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Aaron Levenstein

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                            Or maybe it's time to carp on about something else.

                            IMO all this Rafa-bashing is ruining this forum and, in my book, you, Craig and, especially, Sarb are the worst offenders. No-one minds you having a different opinion from most of the rest of us and no-one minds you expressing it. However I really do believe you need to stop shoving it down out throats at every opportunity.

                            In short, you've made your point. Give it a rest, please, mate.
                            neil, i was simply presenting a different opinion to what mr m put up.

                            is there anything in particular u disagree with the article?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                              Or maybe it's time to carp on about something else.

                              IMO all this Rafa-bashing is ruining this forum and, in my book, you, Craig and, especially, Sarb are the worst offenders. No-one minds you having a different opinion from most of the rest of us and no-one minds you expressing it. However I really do believe you need to stop shoving it down out throats at every opportunity.

                              In short, you've made your point. Give it a rest, please, mate.
                              Amen

                              Although I do think Craig is actually a very worthwhile poster. Its plain that he holds a negative view of Rafa at times, but I dont think his posting style should be curbed as he does offer a balanced and reasoned as well as well written argument, when one is produced
                              I saw a dead fish on the pavement and thought "what did you expect?"
                              There's no water round here stupid, should have stayed where it was wet

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