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    #31
    that's the one, cheers.

    been thinking about this a lot watching us this season, especially at spurs - when we got mugged but were awesome - just like spain!

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      #32
      Originally posted by dww View Post
      I deliberately focussed on those who had been here for a long time and were older than you might expect to see 'natural progression' in. I totally agree with your point but it isn't clear to me how you judge improvements in players who come in when they happen quickly such as Agger and Skrtel as that might have been they existing level coming out after adapting to a new environment.

      I thought about putting Kuyt in my list but I figured it would be too controversial in terms of how people rate him.

      I actually think that Riise did improve in some ways in Rafa's first season but reached the limits of his abilities and I can see that if you don't keep improving Rafa's criticisms might get you down and I think that's what happened to him.

      I can make arguments about all the other but I suspect that they would all be unilluminating justifications of my pre-existing position.

      certainly with Agger and Skrtel they were shocking when they first joined us, Agger was relegated tot he ressies and Skrtel had rings run around him by Havant's strikers. But Rafa worked on them for a few months and suddenly they have become immense.

      Pepe has improved year upon year and still rafa finds room for improvement.

      I think Rafa has a great microscopic insight into every players talent and picks up upon even the smallest areas of improvement. I do despair a bit about babel as I,and i hope most of us on here, can see the lad has all the potential in the world, bit doesnt seem to be improving depsite Rafa's work


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