Should we let him walk?

[Woobus]

if parry's role is diminshed, and he walks too, then surely all the debt is going to be piled onto the club at the next opportunity? - July. Surely then we're fooked?

I think that is out of the window with the credit crunch, cant see any bank loaning us anymore money.

[Kenneth]

It's not just a Rafa or Parry issue; if Parry goes, someone else would come in as chief exec. The issue is Rafa's demand for control and I think he's being pretty unreasonable. We are not in a position to hand a blank cheque book to Rafa and the notion of Rafa doing complex contract negotiations is not sensible imo and you can't really control a budget without this. We need a manager focused on the training ground and the pitch, and we need a good chief exec who can deliver, not Parry. If Rafa absolutely can't fit into that kind of arrangement, he'll have to go I'm afraid and it'll be a case of good luck to him to find the control he desires elsewhere. Madrid would be worse than now. Hopefully, this is a stance because of a personal issue with Parry and were Parry to go, he'd soften his stance. If not, off you go.

[BFG]

I think that is out of the window with the credit crunch, cant see any bank loaning us anymore money.

Why? From the little I know our revenue easily covers the debt. There are still banks with money left to lend, they're just very picky over who they lend it to.

[Woobus]

Why? From the little I know our revenue easily covers the debt. There are still banks with money left to lend, they're just very picky over who they lend it to.

Really depends on how much they would put on us, was it something like 200 million? I dont know much about all this but I dont think the banks we have loans to would allow us to get another loan of that size from a different bank.

[BFG]

Really depends on how much they would put on us, was it something like 200 million? I dont know much about all this but I dont think the banks we have loans to would allow us to get another loan of that size from a different bank.

Sorry mate I've misunderstood the jist of what was being discussed. I thought you were talking about refinancing the outstanding debt rather than taking out additional loans.

[Parm]

Hello No.this would set us back years.

[kev776]

Klinsmann has left Bayern to fly to London for talks

[BFG]

Klinsmann has left Bayern to fly to London for talks

Please tell me you're joking. If not do you mean he's actually left his position?

[JudgeRed]

There is no way we should let him walk. The players we ve supposedly missed out on before they ve gained recognition and an inflated transfer fee through Parry's dithering is testament to why we should allow Rafa the control.

If it then went down hill after that- and I dont think it would- Rafa could not blame anyone else except himself.

I think we are on the brink of something big at LFC and Rafa is an integral part of it.

[kev776]

Joking

[BFG]

Joking

Cunt.

[Vermilion]

Joking

Cruel bugger, he was well worried there that he'd resigned from Bayern.

[Jack D Rips]

It's not just a Rafa or Parry issue; if Parry goes, someone else would come in as chief exec. The issue is Rafa's demand for control and I think he's being pretty unreasonable. We are not in a position to hand a blank cheque book to Rafa and the notion of Rafa doing complex contract negotiations is not sensible imo and you can't really control a budget without this. We need a manager focused on the training ground and the pitch, and we need a good chief exec who can deliver, not Parry. If Rafa absolutely can't fit into that kind of arrangement, he'll have to go I'm afraid and it'll be a case of good luck to him to find the control he desires elsewhere. Madrid would be worse than now. Hopefully, this is a stance because of a personal issue with Parry and were Parry to go, he'd soften his stance. If not, off you go.

Do you honestly believe that we would get even a half decent manager who would not want the control that Rafa is asking for?

Incidentally the Mirror reports today that he has been pleading with the board to offer Agger an acceptable contract

[-V-]

Let him run the acadamy, reserves and the whole club the way he wants. He is correct in what he said about us not producing young talent at the moment.

Let Rafa have full control. If the owners are ever unhappy about paying over the odds for a player they can hold the right to veto the deal like they did with Barry

[dww]

What I find amusing is that no-one here knows what really goes on at our beloved club, only what the media report; perhaps Parry isn't really the clown he's made out to be but is trying to keep the traditions of the club, remember he's close to Moores who is acknowledged to have the best intentions for the club at heart.

My worry is that no-one person should have 100% control over every decision, delegation is required and although Rafa needs complete control when it comes the first team squad and insight into the pot of money available for transfers, I'm not sure he should stick his oar into the technicalities of contracts and dealing with agents. Surely he as got better things to do with his time?

It's not just a Rafa or Parry issue; if Parry goes, someone else would come in as chief exec. The issue is Rafa's demand for control and I think he's being pretty unreasonable. We are not in a position to hand a blank cheque book to Rafa and the notion of Rafa doing complex contract negotiations is not sensible imo and you can't really control a budget without this. We need a manager focused on the training ground and the pitch, and we need a good chief exec who can deliver, not Parry. If Rafa absolutely can't fit into that kind of arrangement, he'll have to go I'm afraid and it'll be a case of good luck to him to find the control he desires elsewhere. Madrid would be worse than now. Hopefully, this is a stance because of a personal issue with Parry and were Parry to go, he'd soften his stance. If not, off you go.

I don't think it is necessary to think just in terms of a CEO in this case actually. When Arsenal had Dein as a director he was trusted by Wenger and clearly linked the business and football parts of their club together well. I'm not sure that Parry has to go - he may well be splendid at some parts of his job but in the same way we bought in that Ayres chappy to help grow our commercial interests we need someone who will balance the footballing interests with the finances for Rafa.

I would agree that in some ways Rafa is asking too much. But I suspect that what we get in the media is a cartoon of his real desires which presumably are greater openness with the funds available and quicker transfer activity - it was cleat that the parameters he was working with changed rapidly in the summer and I would suggest that in the end we got a compromise in terms of the sets of transfers Rafa wanted to do. I think the situation has seemed similar each summer Rafa has been here.

The rumours about Parry having/wanting influence over the academy is worrying and I do think that Rafa is right to demand control of the footballing side of everything. It is bound to be better to have joined up thinking from the first team to the academy.

There is no way we should let him walk. The players we ve supposedly missed out on before they ve gained recognition and an inflated transfer fee through Parry's dithering is testament to why we should allow Rafa the control.

If it then went down hill after that- and I dont think it would- Rafa could not blame anyone else except himself.

I think we are on the brink of something big at LFC and Rafa is an integral part of it.

I tend to agree that keeping Rafa should be a priority but as others have said no individual is bigger than the team. There are however projects under way at first team and reserve level which I think will progress most effectively with him still here. It is not clear that the same is true of Parry but then his role is much less easy to guage from the outside.

I feel it is significant that Balague someone who has at times certainly been Rafa's mouthpiece mentioned how well he had balanced the books. His figures showed much less of a deficit than is usually reported - if this is true then the deals done by Parry have been much better than people usually make out. I'm not sure I believe the figures given but the point that the way that Parry works is much harder for us to divine as fans and it is quite possible that what Rafa has achieved has only been possible because Parry maximises the money available to us.

I do think though that we need greater trust and interoperation between parts of the club and something has to change to make that happen.