Should we let him walk?

[1 True Red]

No. **** Parry off, give Rafa the control he so desires and sign him up.

Absolutly Spot On

IF we lose Rafa because of the Three clowns that are running our great Club, then IMO that it will set the Club back 5yrs or more and, lose our Top players too

How long do we have to put up with these fookin yanks who are intent on ruining our Club

Someone pleeeease buy hem out and save our Club and history too

[the rev leeroy brown]

It's not just a Rafa or Parry issue; if Parry goes, someone else would come in as chief exec. The issue is Rafa's demand for control and I think he's being pretty unreasonable. We are not in a position to hand a blank cheque book to Rafa and the notion of Rafa doing complex contract negotiations is not sensible imo and you can't really control a budget without this. We need a manager focused on the training ground and the pitch, and we need a good chief exec who can deliver, not Parry. If Rafa absolutely can't fit into that kind of arrangement, he'll have to go I'm afraid and it'll be a case of good luck to him to find the control he desires elsewhere. Madrid would be worse than now. Hopefully, this is a stance because of a personal issue with Parry and were Parry to go, he'd soften his stance. If not, off you go.

dont think rafa is being unreasonable at all. too many cooks and all that bollocks. give rafa the control he needs to mould the club in the way he wants and see how things go. ferguson and weneger both have pretty much full control and things have been good for them last 5 years or so

i think rafa is a manager....by which i mean he lives, eats and breaths football. carra and gerard and alonso have all said so recently. the man isnt exactly a novice when it comes to football. just giving him control of training the team and training ground would make him a coach - not a manager.

[the rev leeroy brown]

Let Rafa have full control. If the owners are ever unhappy about paying over the odds for a player they can hold the right to veto the deal like they did with Barry

which, just a bit off subject, is the best thing they have done for our club. had barry signed i'd have gone full out on a hire mourinho crusade.

[the rev leeroy brown]

I'm not saying Rafa is bigger than the club but it's undeniable that he's a big reason why some players joined Liverpool.

Like I said, I hope this forces Gillett to move on Parry. As far as we know the only reason he backed him last time was a political move against Hicks.

torres, masher and reina, all integral to our success, have pretty much admitted that without rafa they wouldn't be here and if he went they would consider their futures.

[Venton]

Leave it - the lot of you!

[Vermilion]

Snap.

[kingfunk]

Venton

Chris kamara

[red_phantom]

I don't think it is necessary to think just in terms of a CEO in this case actually. When Arsenal had Dein as a director he was trusted by Wenger and clearly linked the business and football parts of their club together well. I'm not sure that Parry has to go - he may well be splendid at some parts of his job but in the same way we bought in that Ayres chappy to help grow our commercial interests we need someone who will balance the footballing interests with the finances for Rafa.

I would agree that in some ways Rafa is asking too much. But I suspect that what we get in the media is a cartoon of his real desires which presumably are greater openness with the funds available and quicker transfer activity - it was cleat that the parameters he was working with changed rapidly in the summer and I would suggest that in the end we got a compromise in terms of the sets of transfers Rafa wanted to do. I think the situation has seemed similar each summer Rafa has been here.

The rumours about Parry having/wanting influence over the academy is worrying and I do think that Rafa is right to demand control of the footballing side of everything. It is bound to be better to have joined up thinking from the first team to the academy.



I tend to agree that keeping Rafa should be a priority but as others have said no individual is bigger than the team. There are however projects under way at first team and reserve level which I think will progress most effectively with him still here. It is not clear that the same is true of Parry but then his role is much less easy to guage from the outside.

I feel it is significant that Balague someone who has at times certainly been Rafa's mouthpiece mentioned how well he had balanced the books. His figures showed much less of a deficit than is usually reported - if this is true then the deals done by Parry have been much better than people usually make out. I'm not sure I believe the figures given but the point that the way that Parry works is much harder for us to divine as fans and it is quite possible that what Rafa has achieved has only been possible because Parry maximises the money available to us.

I do think though that we need greater trust and interoperation between parts of the club and something has to change to make that happen.

No we should'nt is the obvious answer, I also have to agree with the balanced comments above, but I'm starting to get a little concerned with some of the noises coming out of our beloved club, there's a title to be won, lets not take our eye of that one.

[el matador]

dont think rafa is being unreasonable at all. too many cooks and all that bollocks. give rafa the control he needs to mould the club in the way he wants and see how things go. ferguson and weneger both have pretty much full control and things have been good for them last 5 years or so

i think rafa is a manager....by which i mean he lives, eats and breaths football. carra and gerard and alonso have all said so recently. the man isnt exactly a novice when it comes to football. just giving him control of training the team and training ground would make him a coach - not a manager.

i agree with operation on this one.

Just imagine that rafa was handed total control over the budget, the academy and all transfers - he would be the single most influential person in the club by far and from the owners perspective this would be an absolute nightmare.

everytime rafa throws his toys out of the pram, the owners would be panicking because if he left, it would cause chaos throughout the club from the academy to the first team.

You just cant have one employee in your business with that much power - its short sighted and you are asking for trouble. All employees - no matter how important have to be kept on a tight leash because by their very nature they will never be content with what they have. We always want more, more power, more money etc...

What's next - a place on the board, shares in the company. His role has to end somewhere and i agree that he should have greater input into the academy (simply because those players are being nurtured for his first team and that the way its done now isnt working), but i wouldnt give him total control over the transfer budget and everything else that he wants - never in a million years.

There is another option which might be a compromise. Everybody knows that rafa is fed up of parry and its for the most part to do with Parrys' incompetence etc...

We need to remove parry from all footballing duties (and everything else if we could) and install a Director of Football which could be someone like Kenny Dalglish.

His role would be to oversee all footballing matters relating to the academy, the reserves and first team as well as transfers and the transfer budget. But he wouldnt be involved in any non-footballing matters that relate to finance or corporate sponsorship. That would be down to the chief executive (whoever that would be)

Rafa would only report to him and as kenny is a footballing man through and through he would always look to protect the interests of the footballing side of the club first and foremost.

The role of chief executive would still be there but it would be solely for off-pitch activities like the financial side or dealing with the owners and he would have very little contact with rafa and would liase directly with kenny.

I dont think that rafa would accept someone as powerful and popular as kenny as his director of football but he might prefer him to parry.

But the key idea is to give rafa control over the academy (overseen by kenny) and more control over the players that he signs (in conjunction with kenny). Then kenny would go to parry and the owners and get the players that rafa and him think are the best fit for the club. This way we split the footballing and non-footballing side and leave parry to **** up the finances of the club and leave the football to rafa and kenny.

Problem solved but i dont think it will happen for a second.

[fred_plasticine]

rafa's right about one thing:
the board allow the manager to work within a given amount of money - but he's got to be the one who then decides whether to spend it all on one player whether the board or anyone else for that matter agree with his valuation. it's about how much a manager values a player's future contribution to the club and thus the impact the manager thinks the player will have on the club's future success. the manager lives and dies by his signings as they say.
as for rafa's desire to have a say in academy affairs i again believe he is right to do so. let's put it that way - it's not that we're particularly renowned for our academy products? give it a go i'd say, there's nothing to lose.

i believe his contract will be sorted sooner than later as everybody involved seems determined to do so.
it's a pitty as it puts us in the spotlight for the wrong reasons.
it won't distract the players from the job at hand imho. they're all focused on what has to be done, that is winning the league

[Neil Young]

rafa's right about one thing:
the board allow the manager to work within a given amount of money - but he's got to be the one who then decides whether to spend it all on one player whether the board or anyone else for that matter agree with his valuation. it's about how much a manager values a player's future contribution to the club and thus the impact the manager thinks the player will have on the club's future success. the manager lives and dies by his signings as they say.
as for rafa's desire to have a say in academy affairs i again believe he is right to do so. let's put it that way - it's not that we're particularly renowned for our academy products? give it a go i'd say, there's nothing to lose.

i believe his contract will be sorted sooner than later as everybody involved seems determined to do so.
it's a pitty as it puts us in the spotlight for the wrong reasons.
it won't distract the players from the job at hand imho. they're all focused on what has to be done, that is winning the league

It's arguable that the media storm about the contract has, if anything, taken the pressure off the players in the run-up to a really important match.