Being top by default??

[Guest]

FFS, Craig_H is at it again. Everton are NOT a mid table team, they are 6th in the table despite suffering from a horrendous list of injuries.

Every derby game is a fight and a difficult game. We were on top of them most of the second half and stopped playing as soon as we scored. That's why we drew.

[Guest]

im not singling you out pal
but all this on another day stuff aint for me
we got what we deserved
i am no manager but surely playing a team with no strikers you try to get at least 2 so they cant hit you back
a 1 goal lead then defending it or at least not really pushing for another was piss poor imo

Yeah that pissed me off to but I'm not rambling about it all day of the week like you.

[Elvoz]

FFS, Craig_H is at it again. Everton are NOT a mid table team, they are 6th in the table despite suffering from a horrendous list of injuries.

Every derby game is a fight and a difficult game. We were on top of them most of the second half and stopped playing as soon as we scored. That's why we drew.

you didnt see the game mate did you

[Elvoz]

Yeah that pissed me off to but I'm not rambling about it all day of the week like you.

poor english there old lad i expect better

[Woobus]

one or two seem to be settling for it then pal

your a rum lad young reg

Maybe they havent settled for it but see no point in moaning on about it non stop, specially when everyone is already down.

[Elvoz]

Maybe they havent settled for it but see no point in moaning on about it non stop, specially when everyone is already down.

sorry lad - heart on sleeve type me

[Woobus]

sorry lad - heart on sleeve type me

No need to feel sorry you have every right to moan about it. Just need to understand the people who arent moaning are hopefully just as annoyed but deal with it differently.

[Vermilion]

That's fine, I just get a bit annoyed with people putting words into other poster's mouths. I'm not happy, I'm not accepting, I think we should have won that game, and I think we should have won a lot of the other games we have drawn at home.

I think people end up being defensive because they are sick of hearing the same negative aspect being posted by the same few posters all the time. They really do go on and on about it, and it tends to become a case of spamming the threads with it.

It seems that when ever people try and look for positives rather than dwelling on the above things, they get classed as having low expectations, or having their head in the sand or whatever, by other posters trying to come accross all superior. Don't say that's not the case because it is.

Every word.

[Craig_H]

That's fine, I just get a bit annoyed with people putting words into other poster's mouths. I'm not happy, I'm not accepting, I think we should have won that game, and I think we should have won a lot of the other games we have drawn at home.

I think people end up being defensive because they are sick of hearing the same negative aspect being posted by the same few posters all the time. They really do go on and on about it, and it tends to become a case of spamming the threads with it.

It seems that when ever people try and look for positives rather than dwelling on the above things, they get classed as having low expectations, or having their head in the sand or whatever, by other posters trying to come accross all superior. Don't say that's not the case because it is.

By the same token, hearing all the time that it's actually all going to be ok, when you consider it to be patronising, over and over again, is also sickening for some.

Why is the same thing repeated considered 'spamming' if it's negative, but not if it's positive?

[Craig_H]

FFS, Craig_H is at it again. Everton are NOT a mid table team, they are 6th in the table despite suffering from a horrendous list of injuries.

Every derby game is a fight and a difficult game. We were on top of them most of the second half and stopped playing as soon as we scored. That's why we drew.

How about Stoke then? I'm sure you'll find an excuse as to why we shouldnt beat them either.

You're entitled to your opinion but i consider everton to be an average mediocre side which a title challenger should beat at home.

We created very little and didnt deserve to win. Unacceptable.

[calvoboy]

How about Stoke then? I'm sure you'll find an excuse as to why we shouldnt beat them either.

You're entitled to your opinion but i consider everton to be an average mediocre side which a title challenger should beat at home.

We created very little and didnt deserve to win. Unacceptable.

The thing is, a lot of people agree with you that Monday's was a bad result, as were the Stoke games. I can't see how anyone can or would argue otherwise. It's the leap that you make from these individual results to say that we are out of contention and are not genuine contenders that I, and others, think you are being too negative with.

If you look at Arsenal's "invincibles" in 2003/04, then their unbeaten season included 12 draws, the worst of which were; Portsmouth (H), Charlton (A), Fulham (H), Leicester (A), Birmingham (H). All of which you could class as easy winnable games on paper. They also drew with Newcastle, Portsmouth (again), Everton and Bolton away, which people on here would count as bad results. They went on to win the league by 11 points.

IF we keep drawing many more of these games, then of course we will be out of contention. We are not yet though, and are more in contention than we've been for 10 years. That's why people think you are being too negative, despite agreeing with you on the individual games you keep mentioning.

[red g]

The thing is, a lot of people agree with you that Monday's was a bad result, as were the Stoke games. I can't see how anyone can or would argue otherwise. It's the leap that you make from these individual results to say that we are out of contention and are not genuine contenders that I, and others, think you are being too negative with.

If you look at Arsenal's "invincibles" in 2003/04, then their unbeaten season included 12 draws, the worst of which were; Portsmouth (H), Charlton (A), Fulham (H), Leicester (A), Birmingham (H). All of which you could class as easy winnable games on paper. They also drew with Newcastle, Portsmouth (again), Everton and Bolton away, which people on here would count as bad results. They went on to win the league by 11 points.

IF we keep drawing many more of these games, then of course we will be out of contention. We are not yet though, and are more in contention than we've been for 10 years. That's why people think you are being too negative, despite agreeing with you on the individual games you keep mentioning.

[Craig_H]

The thing is, a lot of people agree with you that Monday's was a bad result, as were the Stoke games. I can't see how anyone can or would argue otherwise. It's the leap that you make from these individual results to say that we are out of contention and are not genuine contenders that I, and others, think you are being too negative with.

I'm only doing that mate, because dropping home points IS the norm for us. We do it practically half the time, certainly have this season, so i'd simply ask why is it suddenly going to change for the last 8 games?

We have Chelsea, Arsenal and Villa in those last 8 games, much harder than most of the home games we've already had and we've already dropped 10 points at home. So if there's a reason why it's suddenly all going to click, then i'd love to hear it, i really would. People might think i ENJOY feeling negative or pessimistic, but it's totally not true. My feelings on football are dictated by what i see happen and what i've seen is that we struggle to win home games in the Premier League.

If you look at Arsenal's "invincibles" in 2003/04, then their unbeaten season included 12 draws, the worst of which were; Portsmouth (H), Charlton (A), Fulham (H), Leicester (A), Birmingham (H). All of which you could class as easy winnable games on paper. They also drew with Newcastle, Portsmouth (again), Everton and Bolton away, which people on here would count as bad results. They went on to win the league by 11 points.

I'd have two answers to this. Number one, they had practically no competition for the title. The 2nd place side finished with 79 points and we were fourth with a paltry 60. This season is different, there'll probably be at least 3 teams who get to 80 points. So for that Arsenal side, it was probably much less pressurised because they went into games for much of the 2nd half of the campaign knowing they were well clear at the top.

Second thing, that Arsenal side won 26 league games. We have so far managed 13 wins out of 22 games. If we win 13 more and equal the 26 wins Arsenal managed, i think we'll win the league. I think it's highly unlikely though.

You'd be totally right if we do go on to win 13 more games, because we'll have done the same as that Arsenal side - drawn 'easier' games, but still done enough to win the league. Problem is, we've already drawn 8 and it's only just past halfway. So for our draws not to kill our challenge, we'll probably need to win 13 of the last 16 games. Very tall order.

Unless that happens, then our drawn games will have cost us.

They didnt cost Arsenal's 2004 side because 26 wins came with them.

IF we keep drawing many more of these games, then of course we will be out of contention. We are not yet though, and are more in contention than we've been for 10 years. That's why people think you are being too negative, despite agreeing with you on the individual games you keep mentioning.

That bit in bold is pretty much all i'm saying, just along with the fact that our current form makes it look far more likely that we'll draw more games to come, because at the moment, be honest mate, we dont really look like a side who is about to go on a winning streak, do we? Not if we're being honest.

[calvoboy]

Problem is, we've already drawn 8 and it's only just past halfway. So for our draws not to kill our challenge, we'll probably need to win 13 of the last 16 games. Very tall order.

Unless that happens, then our drawn games will have cost us.
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That bit in bold is pretty much all i'm saying, just along with the fact that our current form makes it look far more likely that we'll draw more games to come, because at the moment, be honest mate, we dont really look like a side who is about to go on a winning streak, do we? Not if we're being honest.

I reckon 84 points will do it this year, in which case we're going to need 11 wins and 4 draws (allowing one defeat provided it isn't against the Mancs) to do it. While we don't exactly look like doing it at the moment, we did after the Bolton and Newcastle games, and we usually finish the season stronger. Rafa's Valencia titles were won with late surges too if I remember correctly.

I don't think it's out of the question, but each poor draw means there's another tough game that becomes a must-win. I'm totally confident that we can get 15 points out of the last 5 games if we need to, but we've also got to beat two out of three from Arsenal, Villa and Chelsea at home, which will be tough.

I suppose it just comes down to your level of optimism. I'm optimistically thinking that we are in our best position for years, and am hoping that we put together a bit of a surge and go on and win it. I've also said for years now to anyone who'd listen that if we were within 6 points at Christmas we'd go on and win it, so I can't give up and admit I was wrong just yet!

Thanks for sticking around and arguing your point though (if that doesn't sound too patronising). It'd be boring if we all agreed, and it's good to see a debate that hasn't descended (too much anyway) into name calling and labelling (RCDNW, WUM etc.)

[Woobus]

By the same token, hearing all the time that it's actually all going to be ok, when you consider it to be patronising, over and over again, is also sickening for some.

Why is the same thing repeated considered 'spamming' if it's negative, but not if it's positive?

You think there is something wrong with football fans trying to be positive after a bad result? A football fan being positive has no real effect on results, but can cheer another supporter up when they feel down.
Negative posts dont change results either but can bring the mood of the forum down.
I dont have a problem with people being upset about results and venting there anger. What bugs me is that they take their anger out in all the threads and make negative predictions on stuff they dont know will happen.
I think some posters must be members of a depressed fortune telling group. How they know the future and what will happen is lost on me, along with why all their predictions are gloomy.