Being top by default??

[red g]

I read this.............

but the ONLY reason we are is because Chelsea and manure have allowed us to be. We've done no more than be joint top with seriuosly injury-ridden and underperforming teams.

That takes the glow away somewhat. This is not pessimism, its realism.[/QUOTE]

We are top because we deserve to be based on the season we have had so far.

Before Sky came along and Chelsea changed football forever and raised the bar in terms of going through seasons undefeated, hardly losing etc, increasing the points total etc.

What will you find is that in the sixties/seventies/eighties/nineties teams would lose a few games a year and have plenty of hiccups along the way and having a season ticket in the eighties we had lots of ****ty results and poor performances but over the season we were the better team, perhaps now as teams are getting better we will be going back to traditional football seasons where teams lose more games as the quality of opposition are better, it stands to reason that the gulf is getting smaller as more clubs become wealthier

I cannot believe the pessisim in here that i seriously believe if we win it this year Liverpool fans will actually be complaining that we should have won it by more etc etc. Makes me sick.

[Woobus]

Hahaha classic

Suppose who ever posted that thinks United are only top now by default?

[Craig_H]

Arguably, they are.

If we'd won those 5 easy home games, we'd be 10 points clear right now.

Says it all.

[Redspin]

I read this.............

but the ONLY reason we are is because Chelsea and manure have allowed us to be. We've done no more than be joint top with seriuosly injury-ridden and underperforming teams.

That takes the glow away somewhat. This is not pessimism, its realism.

We are top because we deserve to be based on the season we have had so far.

Before Sky came along and Chelsea changed football forever and raised the bar in terms of going through seasons undefeated, hardly losing etc, increasing the points total etc.

What will you find is that in the sixties/seventies/eighties/nineties teams would lose a few games a year and have plenty of hiccups along the way and having a season ticket in the eighties we had lots of ****ty results and poor performances but over the season we were the better team, perhaps now as teams are getting better we will be going back to traditional football seasons where teams lose more games as the quality of opposition are better, it stands to reason that the gulf is getting smaller as more clubs become wealthier

I cannot believe the pessisim in here that i seriously believe if we win it this year Liverpool fans will actually be complaining that we should have won it by more etc etc. Makes me sick.[/QUOTE]

You have to remember that the average age of posters on here is 17 and three-quarters, so every win is greeted with unrestrained optimism, while every failure to win is seen as the end of our chances and no argument with that view is tolerated

[red g]

Arguably, they are.

If we'd won those 5 easy home games, we'd be 10 points clear right now.

Says it all.

becuase football is that simple.....yeh?

so youa re saying we should be on 57pts after 22 games? therefore finishing the season with 98 pts? is that a record? specially as we get stronger when the season gets on so we should finish on 100+ points

[calvoboy]

Arguably, they are.

If we'd won those 5 easy home games, we'd be 10 points clear right now.

Says it all.

And if my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.

You never win all the so called "easy" games. More realistic would be to say that if we weren't so defensive in the last 10 mins last night, and had the slightest bit of luck against Stoke at home when we murdered them, we would be 4 points clear having played a game more.

We are where we deserve to be, and are having a very good season. We can't afford many more home draws if we are going to go on and win it, and I think we are going to need Torres to stay fit from now until the end of the season. It is 10 years or more since we were genuinely in the hunt for the title though, so some of the negativity on here now that we are challenging is ridiculous. We're doing well, we just need to hold our nerve, supporters as well as players.

[Craig_H]

becuase football is that simple.....yeh?

so youa re saying we should be on 57pts after 22 games? therefore finishing the season with 98 pts? is that a record? specially as we get stronger when the season gets on so we should finish on 100+ points

No, i'm saying we should be beating Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Hull etc.

Man Utd's home record is P10 W9 D1 L0.

Ours is P11 W6 D5 L0

So you see, near perfection IS very possible, if you're good enough and not too scared to go for the jugular.

And if my Auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.

You never win all the so called "easy" games. More realistic would be to say that if we weren't so defensive in the last 10 mins last night, and had the slightest bit of luck against Stoke at home when we murdered them, we would be 4 points clear having played a game more.

We are where we deserve to be, and are having a very good season. We can't afford many more home draws if we are going to go on and win it, and I think we are going to need Torres to stay fit from now until the end of the season. It is 10 years or more since we were genuinely in the hunt for the title though, so some of the negativity on here now that we are challenging is ridiculous. We're doing well, we just need to hold our nerve, supporters as well as players.

You dont win all of them, no. You win the vast majority and certainly more than 6 out of 11.

See Man Utd's home record? That's what title winners do.

[Woobus]

See Man Utd's home record? That's what title winners do.

Why only look at the home record? Uniteds away record isnt that of title winners, why not concentrate on that instead? They are better at home and we are better away.
Surely its far better looking at every game instead of selecting games to make your arguement sound better?
At the minute United are doing slightly better than us but still all to play for, United really dont look like a title winning side more than us at the minute the way they are playing.

[dww]

Why only look at the home record? Uniteds away record isnt that of title winners, why not concentrate on that instead? They are better at home and we are better away.
Surely its far better looking at every game instead of selecting games to make your arguement sound better?
At the minute United are doing slightly better than us but still all to play for, United really dont look like a title winning side more than us at the minute the way they are playing.

I can see the point you are trying to make but United's defensive record and run of wins does make them look like title winners to be honest. The fact that they haven't been playing great attacking football is not really the point when they are playing winning football and getting results.

This season United have defended incredibly well. Their midfield has often lacked creativity but they can always put 3-4 goal threats into a side. We really can't say the same.

[red g]

Why only look at the home record? Uniteds away record isnt that of title winners, why not concentrate on that instead? They are better at home and we are better away.
Surely its far better looking at every game instead of selecting games to make your arguement sound better?
At the minute United are doing slightly better than us but still all to play for, United really dont look like a title winning side more than us at the minute the way they are playing.

Liverpool, chelsea, villa and everton all have better records than Scum away.

We have the joint 2nd best home record in the premiership
and the 2nd best away record in the prremiership

doesnt matter how it comes about that is a fact

[calvoboy]

You dont win all of them, no. You win the vast majority and certainly more than 6 out of 11.

See Man Utd's home record? That's what title winners do.

I've already said we've drawn too many at home and can't afford many more. But we've still got the second best home record in the league at the moment, so it's not as disastrous as you are making out.

Have you seen Man Utd's away record? That's not what title winners do either. We've dropped probably 4 or 5 points more than we should have done at home, but then we've gained them away. There's still a long way to go and we are still in the hunt. I'm not ecstatic about our current position, but neither am I suicidal.

[calvoboy]

I can see the point you are trying to make but United's defensive record and run of wins does make them look like title winners to be honest. The fact that they haven't been playing great attacking football is not really the point when they are playing winning football and getting results.

This season United have defended incredibly well. Their midfield has often lacked creativity but they can always put 3-4 goal threats into a side. We really can't say the same.

Admittedly United are looking more like a title winning side than us at the moment, but then we've got key players still playing their way back to fitness (Torres and Skrtel, who was shocking at times last night), and they are struggling to score goals at the moment despite having a relatively easy run of games.

There will be a few more twists before the end of the season. We just need to start taking our opportunities when they arise - winning when the others slip up.

[red g]

I can see the point you are trying to make but United's defensive record and run of wins does make them look like title winners to be honest. The fact that they haven't been playing great attacking football is not really the point when they are playing winning football and getting results.

This season United have defended incredibly well. Their midfield has often lacked creativity but they can always put 3-4 goal threats into a side. We really can't say the same.

last season they were built on Ronaldo's brilliance this year they are built on defensive brilliance.

[Marky]

Whoever wins the league deserves to win it, simple as that.

[Vermilion]

Whoever wins the league deserves to win it, simple as that.

That's right, but if utd went on to play **** for the rest of the season and we won it, some of OUR own fans would still be shouting...Default Default, Rafa was lucky, etc etc.