Are we better than Man Utd?

[ronniedrew]

If they're better "especially attacking wise" why have they scored fewer goals than us? Worth bearing in mind that we've managed this with our main striker injured for nearly half the league games

they are better attacking wise, the are superb when on song, more creativity than us, and they have way way more match winners and as we have seen win games and score 5 when they have been piss poor

at the end of the day , more than likely we will win nothing and look how successful they were last season are and will be come the end of this season, it pains me to say it but the have to be better based on the facts

[Craig_H]

Actually the facts show the opposite. Rooney has never scored more than 20 league goals a season. In fact it took until last season, which must be at least his sixth top-flight season, before he passed the 50 league goal mark. Berbatov netted just 13 and 12 league goals in his previous 2 seasons at Spurs. Tevez - 3 this season - has not been in England long enough to know if he's capable but his paltry return this season would tend to suggest he's unlikely to get 20 league goals so is therefore not capable of it as you have decided. I read yesterday that he's played more often than Rooney or Berbatov - in his apparent moan about not playing enough games for them - so the excuse that he hasn't played enough games doesn't apply.

Number 1 - where did i specify about league goals? Oh, i didnt. Did i?

Number 2 - Rooney has played 26 league games this season, 22 starts and 4 off the bench. Berbatov has played 29 league games this season, 26 starts and 3 off the bench. Tevez has played 25 league games this season, 16 starts and 9 off the bench.

So you're wrong. Unsurprisingly.

So, it's rather apparent that, although the facts say one thing, your apparent innate bias towards all things Manc has led to your bias getting in the way of the actual facts.

Yes, i have a bias towards the mancs. That's why i was furious yesterday and was accusing the league of being corrupt in their favour.

So you're wrong. Again. Unsuprisingly.

You've really made yourself look bright with that one.

One other point is that your poll is a bit pointless anyway. Any self-respecting Manc on these forums - and there are plenty - would make sure he voted in their favour and against Liverpool, so it rather defeats the object

I didnt actually post a poll - MrM added the poll.

So you're wrong. For a third time.

Unsurprisingly.

[Neil Young]

It's not an interpretation: it is a fact that they have only scored an avaerage of a goal a game away from home if WBA away is not included.

OK, mate, have it your way - you aren't being selective with your stats and that selection is not tendentious in any way.

[Darkon]

I somehow think this question is fairly easy to answer.

If the scum finishes above us this season (quite likely looking at the table), it is because they have been the better team over the last year. So on the whole they have been a better team than us, also getting further in every cup competition than us.

I think that speaks quite clearly for itself.

But playerwise I think we are about equal. The difference right now is that utd have been better at breaking down the smaller oppositions, having less draws.

[Elvoz]

I somehow think this question is fairly easy to answer.

If the scum finishes above us this season (quite likely looking at the table), it is because they have been the better team over the last year. So on the whole they have been a better team than us, also getting further in every cup competition than us.
I think that speaks quite clearly for itself.

But playerwise I think we are about equal. The difference right now is that utd have been better at breaking down the smaller oppositions, having less draws.

i think you could of ended it there tbh

[Craig_H]

I actually dont think we're equal in terms of players, not in terms of squad certainly.

But i do think we've produced better out of our squad than they have out of their squad.

[Reece]

I actually dont think we're equal in terms of players, not in terms of squad certainly.

But i do think we've produced better out of our squad than they have out of their squad.

That's pretty much how I see it

[Elvoz]

I actually dont think we're equal in terms of players, not in terms of squad certainly.

But i do think we've produced better out of our squad than they have out of their squad.

but get ya tin hat on pal - not sure half this lot understand that

[Darkon]

i think you could of ended it there tbh

Yeah, perhaps I could

I still think our first eleven matches the scums, but perhaps we do lack a bit of backup in key positions, such as Torres and mascher.

[Redspin]

Number 1 - where did i specify about league goals? Oh, i didnt. Did i?

Number 2 - Rooney has played 26 league games this season, 22 starts and 4 off the bench. Berbatov has played 29 league games this season, 26 starts and 3 off the bench. Tevez has played 25 league games this season, 16 starts and 9 off the bench.

So you're wrong. Unsurprisingly.


Yes, i have a bias towards the mancs. That's why i was furious yesterday and was accusing the league of being corrupt in their favour.

So you're wrong. Again. Unsuprisingly.

You've really made yourself look bright with that one.



I didnt actually post a poll - MrM added the poll.

So you're wrong. For a third time.

Unsurprisingly.

Ferguson himself said that Tevez has taken more part in their games than Rooney. Perhaps he meant minutes on the pitch. I just assumed his manager would have a better take on this than you. Unsurprisingly I appear to be wrong as you seem to have your finger well and truly on the manc pulse. Well done!

So if they all have the capability of scoring 20 goals a season in all competitions according to you (but in fact rarely or never do depending on which one we're talking about) how many of them are going to get 20 or more in all competitions this season?

[Craig_H]

Ferguson himself said that Tevez has taken more part in their games than Rooney. Perhaps he meant minutes on the pitch. I just assumed his manager would have a better take on this than you. Unsurprisingly I appear to be wrong as you seem to have your finger well and truly on the manc pulse. Well done!

Simple case of spending 2 minutes on BBC Sport to research it.

So if they all have the capability of scoring 20 goals a season in all competitions according to you (but in fact rarely or never do depending on which one we're talking about) how many of them are going to get 20 or more in all competitions this season?

There's a stark difference in being capable of doing something, and actually doing it. We were 'capable' of beat Boro away, but it didnt happen. We were easily capable of beating Stoke, but we never managed it.

Judging by your logic, LFC isnt 'capable' of winning the Premier League, because we've never done it. But that, like much of what you've said, would be nonsense.

In his 2 seasons with Spurs, Berbatov scored 19 in 41 and then 20 in 44. So clearly he's capable of scoring 20 goals in all competitions. If he plays the majority of the 50 odd games that United would have in a season, it's not radical to say he'd hit 20 goals in all competitions.

Tevez got 18 for Man Utd last season, whilst not being a constant selection in the first team. Again, if he featured in most of the 50 odd games, getting 20 doesnt seem like a wildly unlikely possibility.

Rooney's season tallies for the mancs have been 14, 17, 18, 16.

And this season, he has 20 goals in all competitions. As we speak.

So clearly to suggest that none of them are capable of getting 20 goals in all competitions, is somewhat wishful thinking.

[Vermilion]

but get ya tin hat on pal - not sure half this lot understand that

Well don't you dare include me in that.

So hard to fathom, well, we are doing fine in the 'top 4 mini league', but we've been so unlucky against the smaller sides, dominating many games, hitting the woodwork countless times only to come away with a poxy draw, such fine margins.

Are we better than utd, well obviously as a club we're miles better, as a squad i would say no, but i'd have to qualify that by saying i think we are playing better and our manager is getting far more out of the players we have compared to utd.

So my honest asnswer is.... Don't really know.

[Skillz]

I actually dont think we're equal in terms of players, not in terms of squad certainly.

But i do think we've produced better out of our squad than they have out of their squad.

That's pretty much how I see it

but get ya tin hat on pal - not sure half this lot understand that

And that definitely comes down to the manager.

[Craig_H]

It absolutely does.

[red g]

Manchester united have won by a single goal 14 times this year.....and drawn 5 times.
Liverpool have won by a single goal 9 times and drawn 11 times

that to me show you how close it is....and ultimately why they are bettter albeit with the referees help!!!