Liverpool agree Arbeloa transfer

[Craig_H]

would do his WC chance the world of good......ifs and buts.

He isnt first choice anyhting next season. We all know how good insua will be next season AFII predicted it years ago the guy is world class

think you are just trying to win a losing arguement here

How can i 'win' or 'lose' any argument that's based on opinion?

I'd have player Arbeloa LB next season and RB on the occasion where GJ didnt play. So to my mind, he'd have played plenty of games.

If you have a different opinion that says Insua should be 1st choice LB, then fair enough. But there's no winning or losing as such.

[Craig_H]

That's pretty rich.

My argument exactly is it's not black and white but that holding a player to a contract when it could f*ck up his career might not be worth the marginal benefit of having him available as back-up, especially given we have two other specialist right backs in addition to Johnson, plus Carragher if the need arises.

It's not a straightforward decision but you asked why we were selling him and I've given you plenty of reasons.

How would it **** up his career?

As for the reasons you've given, i'm sure you'd agree they're speculative as, as you yourself point out consistently on here, we actually know nothing about what's gone on.

[Craig_H]

Oh the authoritative Craig_H, he strikes again.

Go and get a 'job' as a student

[yukpo]

arbeloa was nothing extraordinary but he was a steady first team player at a top 4 premiership team and a regular in the spain squad so how come he costs 3 million while nobodies from the championship keep getting sold for 5 and 6 mill...

even with a year left on his contract, he should have fetched 7m+, and a few mill more with a longer contract.

i totally blame rick parry for this.

[lickedlollipop]

well he is going back where he was ****ed off. Glen should be good example.

good luck, Alvaro

[Neil Young]

How would it **** up his career?

As for the reasons you've given, i'm sure you'd agree they're speculative as, as you yourself point out consistently on here, we actually know nothing about what's gone on.

I explained in my first post how it could mess it up.

Of course it's speculative. As you must be aware, so is your belief that he'd be more use as a squad member than being sold on for however much it is.

You asked why he's being sold. Do you really only want answers from the very few people who actually know the answer to that (if there is a single answer that those few people might actually agree on) or were you asking for a train of logic that had eluded you?

In other words, were you actually interested in getting an answer or were you asking the question for some other purpose?

[red g]

How can i 'win' or 'lose' any argument that's based on opinion?

I'd have player Arbeloa LB next season and RB on the occasion where GJ didnt play. So to my mind, he'd have played plenty of games.

If you have a different opinion that says Insua should be 1st choice LB, then fair enough. But there's no winning or losing as such.

fair enough, but your still wrong

[Jack D Rips]

Reading this thread would make you think that we sold our RB and didnt replace him.

We DID replace him with a much better and at least equally as versatile player in Johnson.

We still have the same backup as we had last season

[dww]

In addition to the arguments laid out by Neill there has to be a negative effect on the cohesion of the squad if a number of players are unhappy. If one were feeling especially speculative you could posit that having Arbeloa here wanting away as well as Alonso and possibly Mascherano could mean that each one was more likely to be dissatisfied and want away.

I've seen in several places people make the argument that all Spanish internationals would be fully committed due to the world cup coming up. I can see there is some truth in that but at the same time peoples personal happiness has a strange effect on the way they behave and particularly perform and is not predictable. I'd suggest in general though that it more often hinders it than improves it.

[Shanks]

To my mind, there's one major factor in this which is the catalyst to so many people agreeing with the decision: Rafa made it.

Nah, Carra made it after the two of them nearly came to blows.

[dww]

To my mind, there's one major factor in this which is the catalyst to so many people agreeing with the decision: Rafa made it.

It's almost as if we trust a manager who has won the Spanish league, the champions league and taken us to a position where we challenge for the PL and is in possession of the full facts more than we do our own potentially ill founded speculations.

I have reservations in the sense that I have expressed elsewhere on the forums that relying on Insua, Johnson, two injury prone players and reserve teamers who haven't even made the recent friendlies with an extended squad (possibly topped up by playing CBs out of position) is a worry. However at the same time we don't know what Rafas plans are in terms of replacements or additions to the squad or even beyond first impressions how he rates Degen and Aurelio and their respective injury situations.

[Neil Young]

It's almost as if we trust a manager who has won the Spanish league, the champions league and taken us to a position where we challenge for the PL and is in possession of the full facts more than we do our own potentially ill founded speculations.

[Craig_H]

It's almost as if we trust a manager who has won the Spanish league, the champions league and taken us to a position where we challenge for the PL and is in possession of the full facts more than we do our own potentially ill founded speculations.

Do you trust him to the point where you'll agree with every single decision he makes? Just a question.

Would there be unmitigating agreement if he decided to cash in on Torres?

Trusting him isnt a bad thing, i trust him too. I still maintain my ability to think for myself though.

I have reservations in the sense that I have expressed elsewhere on the forums that relying on Insua, Johnson, two injury prone players and reserve teamers who haven't even made the recent friendlies with an extended squad (possibly topped up by playing CBs out of position) is a worry.

So we share some reservations then. I dont for one minute think it's a disaster or anything melodramatic. I just would've preferred to keep Arbeloa for a season, in exchange for the £3.5m. Each to their own i guess.

[dww]

Do you trust him to the point where you'll agree with every single decision he makes? Just a question.

Would there be unmitigating agreement if he decided to cash in on Torres?

I think you know that that isn't the case. Here however we have a clear case of a situation where we are not in full possession of the facts about why he is being sold and he is now certainly a squad player rather than an integral part of our team which Torres is. In such circumstances I think that it seems most sensible to assume that he is in a better position to judge and is a more reliable judge than I.

Especially if he is aware of potential new signings which we are not at present.

Trusting him isnt a bad thing, i trust him too. I still maintain my ability to think for myself though.

It's that sort of comment that gets peoples backs up. Just because when you see there are clear arguments or potential arguments on both sides you defer (at least temporarily) to experts in the field doesn't mean that you are incapable of making judgements merely that you acknowledge the limitations of the information you have and the fact that others may be making their decisions from a better position than you.

So we share some reservations then. I dont for one minute think it's a disaster or anything melodramatic. I just would've preferred to keep Arbeloa for a season, in exchange for the £3.5m. Each to their own i guess.

Well exactly.

[Rigadon]

Yes, the club comes first. And if the club and its management gain a reputation for treating players like **** then the club suffers.

See Alonso