Doom mongers

[Shanks]

It's has a bit of the whole 'big kid in the playground' feeling about it.

That's a good analogy.

I think the problem with Torres could be that he needs to see more quality around him.

Someone else to play that killer pass/cross. Maxi maybe, or someone of that calibre.

[Joe King]

the man has saved us so many times and for once he is not playing well you want to sell him CRAZY ......he is LIVERPOOL FC

He's past it now. That burst of pace has now gone and he hasn't been able to use his 'technical' skill to change his game.

[Craig_H]

He's past it now. That burst of pace has now gone and he hasn't been able to use his 'technical' skill to change his game.

Christ, you're basing this on one injury plagued half season.

[MrMichael]

He's past it now. That burst of pace has now gone and he hasn't been able to use his 'technical' skill to change his game.

I can name numerous players people have thought the same of when they hit 30, who went on to be superb for seasons to come. Giggs is an obvious example. With time and the right management Gerrard obviously has the skillset to change his game as he loses a bit of pace, our problem at the moment is that we've got nobody else on the pitch to take the pressure off him as he does so.

He looks to me like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders this season. Everything he's doing looks forced, as if he's trying too hard almost, and so getting extremely frustrated when game after game things beyond his control have just gone wrong. This season should by rights have been ours to take hold of and have a good chance of winning the league. Instead we've become almost a laughing stock. That's hit the lad hard imo, you can see it in Carra too - legends though they are they're human too, and for the first time really in their careers have gotten pulled down with it. That doesn't make them blameless, but looking into an uncertain future we still need them, for who they are, how they can play, and what they represent. Selling Gerrard at this point would be absolute folly imo.

[Harv]

I've purposely only posted comments here and it seems that there are a few who persist in being abusive towards me for not agreeing with them, so I'm left with little option .....

harv, you're a cunt, you say that people are entitled to opinions and are unwilling to let others have theirs

rix007, you're a cunt, who's following a cunt in harv

that is all

Where have i been abusive??

Another ****ing cry baby, who can't handle someone telling them the truth. ****ing classic.

People ARE free to have their opinions, you spineless ****...but if you can't give me a valid reason for having that opinion i'll call you out on it.

You failed to offer any reasoning behind any of your posts. Instead claiming im just following the tabloids etc.

Then you hoisted the white flag had a hissy fit and called me a cunt. Spineless

[squaddie]

Cunts a bit harsh.... **** maybe.

[Harv]

Christ, you're basing this on one injury plagued half season.

What if we were offered £40m for him though?

Theres no doubting his quality. But he's almost 30. He probably has 3 seasons of quality football left in him. £40m for a 30 year old is great business...doesn't matter who it is.

[Craig_H]

The £40m would go straight on the debt. We wouldnt get to re invest it into the squad.

Gerrard's symbolic of LFC, i wouldnt sell him.

You only know what you've got, when it's gone.

[squaddie]

As far as i can see at the moment though it needs to be one of the two... Stevie or Rafa, and regardless of opinions etc i cant see Rafa gettin off?

[Harv]

The £40m would go straight on the debt. We wouldnt get to re invest it into the squad.

Gerrard's symbolic of LFC, i wouldnt sell him.

You only know what you've got, when it's gone.

If it went to the debt, then of course you wouldn't sell him. But if you were guaranteed the funds......its tempting.

[stuartb]

FAO mods

can we have a dedicated thread for all the doom mongers to whinge in please, you could even make it a sticky so that they could find it and stay there

they're doing so much whingeing that they're starting to sound like bluenoses

Shocking - I didnt know we had Chinese representatives on here who look to limit peoples opinions on what they say by hearding them into a small room like dogs bc they dont agree.

Regardless of your opinion, shame on you for what you said - a forum is a forum b/c of the diversity of opinions. Your request is the worst thing ive ever seen on these boards since before the days of Kraptalk - I could say more but in the interests of respect Ill leave it at that

[Harv]

Watch out Stuart....he'll call you a cunt if you're not careful.

[stuartb]

Watch out Stuart....he'll call you a cunt if you're not careful.

Ive been called worse mate

[Rafa Justice]

I strongly agree with this, yet it doesnt seem to be easy on my sense of logic, to consider dropping him

But yes, when Torres and especially SG arent playing, the other players seem to be more inclined to actually do things themselves and take the burden of responsibility, rather than just giving it to Gerrard and then switching off, while expecting him to do something.

It's has a bit of the whole 'big kid in the playground' feeling about it.

It's been like that for years, IMO. This season shows just how moody the guy is. And he's club captain?

[redstaralex]

Where have i been abusive??

Another ****ing cry baby, who can't handle someone telling them the truth. ****ing classic.

People ARE free to have their opinions, you spineless ****...but if you can't give me a valid reason for having that opinion i'll call you out on it.

You failed to offer any reasoning behind any of your posts. Instead claiming im just following the tabloids etc.

Then you hoisted the white flag had a hissy fit and called me a cunt. Spineless

I got a head of steam and apologise for that but rather than go into a never ending debate about who has performed and who hasn't I agreed to disagree, however since you would like a further explanation, from what I saw at the game at Wednesday every player on the pitch was trying to win and for me it's more to do with concentration than effort and Carragher's mistake yesterday was another example of that lack of concentration (along with the majority of other late goals we've conceded), I could say the same about yesterday although I only saw that match on tv and as I've mentioned in other posts, in my opinion, you only get to see about 30% of the game when you watch on tv so I tend to withhold my opinions on those games and concentrate on the ones I actually get to

for the record I've thought Carragher's been past his best for at least 2 seasons, Kuyt isn't good enough, and Gerrard has been a moody prima donna for around 8 years, he ,again in my opinion, is the biggest culprit for us not winning the league yet, under Houllier when we got to about 60 mins he would get a "**** you lot, I'll do it myself" attitude and become over selfish, now there were a fair few times where it was justified as he did get us out of jail but nevertheless it was a selfish attitude and there were many occasions when he refused to pass to people, which is again selfish, more recently, (past 4 seasons minimum) it appears he only plays when he feels like, if he's injured (like now) then fair enough but like a lot of our players he has the ability but his attitude lets him down, when we play without him yes we are more dull but we are far more workmanlike e.g. Juventus away 2005, mancs at Anfield last season, now whether that's because the others sit back and expect him to do more when he's playing I don't know but when he's not playing they each seem to perform a bit better, now I fully understand and appreciate that he's been a fantastic servant and one of the best players we've ever seen but let's not kid ourselves that he's one of us

these are my opinions, but I wouldn't ever claim that they're the truth, which is a word you seemingly like, but rather than bang on about all this I prefer to look at the positives, yes we're having not just a bad season but a really ****ing awful season, however I prefer to concentrate on the positives and see that we can still piss 4th which is the minimum requirement, we have no God given right to be winning anything, we haven't won the league for 20 years but before Shankly we were **** without a hope in hell of winning anything, pre ferguson the mancs were **** without much hope, you get what you deserve, not expect

as for spineless ****, I'll return to calling you a cunt