Doom mongers

[redstaralex]

Shocking - I didnt know we had Chinese representatives on here who look to limit peoples opinions on what they say by hearding them into a small room like dogs bc they dont agree.

Regardless of your opinion, shame on you for what you said - a forum is a forum b/c of the diversity of opinions. Your request is the worst thing ive ever seen on these boards since before the days of Kraptalk - I could say more but in the interests of respect Ill leave it at that

yeah, you're a cunt as well

regards

choi sun

[Harv]

I got a head of steam and apologise for that but rather than go into a never ending debate about who has performed and who hasn't I agreed to disagree, however since you would like a further explanation, from what I saw at the game at Wednesday every player on the pitch was trying to win and for me it's more to do with concentration than effort and Carragher's mistake yesterday was another example of that lack of concentration (along with the majority of other late goals we've conceded), I could say the same about yesterday although I only saw that match on tv and as I've mentioned in other posts, in my opinion, you only get to see about 30% of the game when you watch on tv so I tend to withhold my opinions on those games and concentrate on the ones I actually get to

for the record I've thought Carragher's been past his best for at least 2 seasons, Kuyt isn't good enough, and Gerrard has been a moody prima donna for around 8 years, he ,again in my opinion, is the biggest culprit for us not winning the league yet, under Houllier when we got to about 60 mins he would get a "**** you lot, I'll do it myself" attitude and become over selfish, now there were a fair few times where it was justified as he did get us out of jail but nevertheless it was a selfish attitude and there were many occasions when he refused to pass to people, which is again selfish, more recently, (past 4 seasons minimum) it appears he only plays when he feels like, if he's injured (like now) then fair enough but like a lot of our players he has the ability but his attitude lets him down, when we play without him yes we are more dull but we are far more workmanlike e.g. Juventus away 2005, mancs at Anfield last season, now whether that's because the others sit back and expect him to do more when he's playing I don't know but when he's not playing they each seem to perform a bit better, now I fully understand and appreciate that he's been a fantastic servant and one of the best players we've ever seen but let's not kid ourselves that he's one of us

these are my opinions, but I wouldn't ever claim that they're the truth, which is a word you seemingly like, but rather than bang on about all this I prefer to look at the positives, yes we're having not just a bad season but a really ****ing awful season, however I prefer to concentrate on the positives and see that we can still piss 4th which is the minimum requirement, we have no God given right to be winning anything, we haven't won the league for 20 years but before Shankly we were **** without a hope in hell of winning anything, pre ferguson the mancs were **** without much hope, you get what you deserve, not expect

as for spineless ****, I'll return to calling you a cunt

I'll be honest with you.

I didn't read any of that other than your final sentence. You labeled me as being abusive...so i thought, what the hell, might as well throw some your way

[Harv]

yeah, you're a cunt as well

regards

choi sun

Why are you calling people cunts left right and centre??

[Vermilion]

If it came down to Rafa or Gerrard, well our owners ceratinly wouldn't have a hard decision to make...sell Gerrard get 40mill.... Sack Rafa...PAY 25mill...hmmm, what would they do ?

[el matador]

Ian st John has his say...

Liverpool legend Ian St John has slammed the tactics deployed by manager Rafael Benitez and castigated him for his antics in the pre-match **** conference before Saturday's draw with Stoke City.

The former Kop hero took aim at the under-fire Spaniard following his attempt to make light of the current crisis at the club ahead of the 1-1 stalemate at the Britannia Stadium and described the Reds' style of play as 'boring' and 'diabolical'.

Before his side's visit to the Potteries, Benitez read a short statement off a piece of paper; echoing his actions during the infamous **** conference when he accused Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson of being above the law when it came to bad-mouthing referees.

However speaking on a Merseyside radio station, the ex-striker turned media pundit claimed that the Kop boss's attempt to humour the **** had backfired on him and feels that he made himself look foolish.

St John, 71, said: "Rafa's under extreme pressure for all that he tries to say he's not. I think he was just thinking ahead about what he could do and say. He came up with the idea of trying to be funny which is not his style.

"He's not a stand-up comedian like some managers, who are quite funny and witty. But Rafa is not that kind of guy. For him to do that was just dropping himself in it."

During a post-match phone-in on Radio City, St John also attacked promising French target man David Ngog, insisting that the 20-year-old will never make the grade at Anfield.

He continued: "He can't play that position. I don't know what position he can play but he can't play up front as a centre forward - he just can't do it.

"I don't think he's even good enough to play for Liverpool. I've said that very early on in his career when I've seen him.

"You're doing him no favours having him as a lone striker and you're doing the team no favours by playing him."

The Scot, who scored 118 times for Liverpool during 1961 and 1971, went on to blast the tactics used by Benitez and claimed that it did not reflect the Anfield teams of old.

St John believes that the Reds have no approach to their game other than using a repetitive 'square ball' tactic, which saw them fail to build on last season's second-place finish with last week's humilating FA Cup exit to Championship side Reading turning the heat up on Benitez.

He said: "We don't have a style of play. I watched Blackburn Rovers and Aston Villa the other night and you could see the style of both teams and what they were trying to do.

"When we go out and play, and the last week has just emphasised it, we don't have a style of play. Nobody can say 'this is how we're trying to play' because you cannot see anything.

"It seems to be a case of getting the ball and **** it to whoever is square of you. Today it was punt it up the park time but the other night against Reading it was just square ball after square ball.

"We don't have a system that we used to have when Liverpool got the ball and then were all moving and you could see who was playing to who and who went where. You could see the movement and read the game ahead because the players were reading the game ahead."

Lanarkshire-born St John, nicknamed "The Saint" by Kopites, said that he felt the current crop of players at Anfield had baffled the club's diehard supporters who appeared to have looks of bewilderment during Saturday's match.

He added: "If you're a fan and you see it week in and week out, you know what's happening. With this lot you don't know what's happening. You don't know what they're going to do apart from play it square.

"Apart from the most boring football, it has been diabolical and when the cameras cut to the fans they're looking at it with a glazed look in their eyes - they can't understand it."

Somehow I dont think we'll be seeing him on LFC tv again.

[Craig_H]

I'm just waiting for St John to adopt that snarling tone and start calling Rafa 'the Spaniard'.

Xenophobic know-nothing **** is St John.

I dont see him having a successful career in management.

[el matador]

I'm just waiting for St John to adopt that snarling tone and start calling Rafa 'the Spaniard'.

Xenophobic know-nothing **** is St John.

I dont see him having a successful career in management.

whenever a former player comes out and says something negative about the club all of a sudden they're a cunt or we have to tear a strip off them to discredit them personally so that whatever they say doesnt make sense.

He has a right to say what he wants. Players like whelan, souness, aldridge and now st john are a part of the fabric of the club because they played for the club and know how what Liverpool fc stands for.

Some of our fans obviously dont.

[Bender]

I'm just waiting for St John to adopt that snarling tone and start calling Rafa 'the Spaniard'.

Xenophobic know-nothing **** is St John.

I dont see him having a successful career in management.

everyones entitled to their opinion ........ how do you think he feels seeing the club he loves crumbling .....

[MrMichael]

Ok, I've let this thread go because it seemed some people needed to get some things off their chests. Enough's enough now though, its time you cunts stopped calling each other cunts.

Thanks

[Bender]

wait wait wait ......let me at least call someone a cunt before you lock this thread

[MrMichael]

[Harv]

Its only one person calling people cunts though M

put him in the sin bin with Fredo

[little dave hedgehog]

what's fredo in the bin for?

[Harv]

what's fredo in the bin for?

he's not. He should be though

[Norbs]

Why are you calling people cunts left right and centre??

I really am a cunt but have escaped scott free. Funny old world