The New Manager Thread

[Neil Young]

Hiddink is 63.

Van Gaal is 58.

Rafa is 50.

It's obvious that good managers who have been around for longer will have won more trophies.

I mention it because it shows just how stupid this argument has become. You're all pulling opinions out of thin air, being very selective in your use of circumstantial evidence and choosing to interpret any comments you can find from anyone in order to fit your own preconceptions.

And it's all for the purpose of arguing about a hypothetical situation.

Unbelievable.

[Guest]

There seems to be too many people jumping on concluding that Rafa is not good enough based on one truly horrific season. Let's wait and see what he does next year.

[Vermilion]

Shteeeve Machlaren can win Dutch titles ffs...and not with a top side either...Dutch titles and cups...ha!

[Guest]

Hiddink is 63.

Van Gaal is 58.

Rafa is 50.

It's obvious that good managers who have been around for longer will have won more trophies.

I mention it because it shows just how stupid this argument has become. You're all pulling opinions out of thin air, being very selective in your use of circumstantial evidence and choosing to interpret any comments you can find from anyone in order to fit your own preconceptions.

And it's all for the purpose of arguing about a hypothetical situation.

Unbelievable.

I agree with that.

[the rev leeroy brown]

There doesn't seem to be too much love going between Maureen and Van Gaal.

Inter Milan coach Jose Mourinho has accused Bayern Munich rival Louis van Gaal of throwing dirt at him ahead of the Champions League final.

Yesterday, Mourinho responded to Van Gaal's claims that he is a defensive tactician.

He snapped: “In this Champions League I don't remember a game like Inter-Barcelona at San Siro. No one played the football that we played, attacking the champions of Europe so much and winning the semi-final there. No one attacked like us at Stamford Bridge. We played two games like no one else.

“To say things like Van Gaal has said is like throwing sand in your eyes.

“He is worried about the referee. I am worried about the Icelandic volcano. I would like to go to Madrid on Friday and instead we are going tomorrow. This is my only worry. I don't worry about the referee.

“The Italians haven't forgotten Bayern's game against Fiorentina in the same way that the English haven't forgotten Rafael's red card, but this is not my problem.”

we miss this in england. not mourinho as such but the way he acts. in warnock, strachcan and holloway we have these managers who dont give a **** what they say but untill they get into the top flight of english football you dont hear too much of what they say. shame cause i love hearing managers talking **** they really shouldnt.

[the rev leeroy brown]

Shteeeve Machlaren can win Dutch titles ffs...and not with a top side either...Dutch titles and cups...ha!

no clips of mclaren speaking with german accent yet.

[Darkon]

Hiddink is 63.

Van Gaal is 58.

Rafa is 50.

It's obvious that good managers who have been around for longer will have won more trophies.

I mention it because it shows just how stupid this argument has become. You're all pulling opinions out of thin air, being very selective in your use of circumstantial evidence and choosing to interpret any comments you can find from anyone in order to fit your own preconceptions.

And it's all for the purpose of arguing about a hypothetical situation.

Unbelievable.

And hiddink has spend something like the last 12 years managing minor national teams without any real chance of winning any major trophy.

Of course managers with more experience will have had the chance of winning more, but it also depends on the clubs you have had the chance at.

Mourinho for example is only 47, three years younger than Rafa and has won

6 league titles
8 national cups
1 CL
1 Uefa cup

and maybe one more CL title after saturday. So with age in the picture he is far more succesful than any of them

[Vermilion]

no clips of mclaren speaking with german accent yet.

Give it time...

[dww]

And hiddink has spend something like the last 12 years managing minor national teams without any real chance of winning any major trophy.

Of course managers with more experience will have had the chance of winning more, but it also depends on the clubs you have had the chance at.

Mourinho for example is only 47, three years younger than Rafa and has won

6 league titles
8 national cups
1 CL
1 Uefa cup

and maybe one more CL title after saturday. So with age in the picture he is far more succesful than any of them

I think you may have missed his primary point.

[Guest]

And hiddink has spend something like the last 12 years managing minor national teams without any real chance of winning any major trophy.

Of course managers with more experience will have had the chance of winning more, but it also depends on the clubs you have had the chance at.

Mourinho for example is only 47, three years younger than Rafa and has won

6 league titles
8 national cups
1 CL
1 Uefa cup

and maybe one more CL title after saturday. So with age in the picture he is far more succesful than any of them

You can't analyse things in isolation like that, it's ridiculous. Mourihno has had much more financial backing to build his sides than Rafa has ever had. Then, he won a lot of titles in the inferior Portuguese league, won a very mediocre CL final. Plus it's well documented that he isn't really a coach who favours an expensive game of football, preferring a more methodical and controlled approach much similar to the way Rafa sets up his teams.

Rafa has had to fight off competition from Real and Barca who had more resources and still beat them twice. So, it all puts everything into perspective.

[JudgeRed]

Hiddink is 63.

Van Gaal is 58.

Rafa is 50.

It's obvious that good managers who have been around for longer will have won more trophies.

I mention it because it shows just how stupid this argument has become. You're all pulling opinions out of thin air, being very selective in your use of circumstantial evidence and choosing to interpret any comments you can find from anyone in order to fit your own preconceptions.

And it's all for the purpose of arguing about a hypothetical situation.

Unbelievable.

Lively debate?

[ntto]

You can't analyse things in isolation like that, it's ridiculous. Mourihno has had much more financial backing to build his sides than Rafa has ever had. Then, he won a lot of titles in the inferior Portuguese league, won a very mediocre CL final. Plus it's well documented that he isn't really a coach who favours an expensive game of football, preferring a more methodical and controlled approach much similar to the way Rafa sets up his teams.

Rafa has had to fight off competition from Real and Barca who had more resources and still beat them twice. So, it all puts everything into perspective.

its been talked to death that winning the spanish league is very different to winning the premiership - you need a much higher points total (and more wins) to win the premiership - hense the typical defensive setup of not getting beat doesnt win you the premiership

[banditos]

Sorry to say it, as he coached my national team to its best ever WC performance, but Hiddink has become a complete mercenary. 6 months here, 6 months there, move on. Not suitable for LFC, particularly in its current state IMO.

Van Gaal is overated. He ain't that good.

Rafa is a much better fit for LFC, and probably Inter, than either of these two.

[banditos]

its been talked to death that winning the spanish league is very different to winning the premiership - you need a much higher points total (and more wins) to win the premiership - hense the typical defensive setup of not getting beat doesnt win you the premiership

May have been true when Rafa won it, but Barca needed 99 points this season to win it. 31 wins.

[cream]

So much for Mourinho's love of Liverpool

Internazionale have denied reports they have approached Liverpool's manager Rafael Benítez about the possibility of him replacing Jose Mourinho.

Mourinho has been linked with a move to Real Madrid, should the Spanish club part company with Manuel Pellegrini, and will make a decision after Saturday's Champions League final against Bayern Munich.

The Portuguese told Marca: "My only options are Madrid or Inter. To get me to leave this club after two years of incredible work, only Real Madrid could achieve that. If I go, I will move with a clear conscience, having changed the club."

Asked about Benítez, Inter's sporting director Marco Branca told Sky Italia: "We absolutely have had no contact with Benítez. Our coach is Jose Mourinho."

Benítez has also been linked with the Juventus job in recent months but the Turin club are set to appoint the former Sampdoria coach Luigi Del Neri this week.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/rafael-benitez-liverpool-inter-milan