The New Manager Thread

[Lecter]

Given the relative values and qualities of the squads, i doubt Hodgson would say no on the basis that he wouldnt have £16m net to spend over 2 seasons. Our squad is infinitely better than he'd ever have at fulham, regardless of budgets.

As for Jose, his ego is precisely why he WOULD take the job. He'd love to go and do what rafa failed to do, and get one over on him. Furthermore, he has such a massive ego and self belief, that i cant imagine him ever thinking he'd fail at anything. Even with the lower budgets, he'd think he could challenge for the title with our squad. After all, rafa did once, and Mourinho no doubt thinks he's a better manager than anyone, so why wouldnt he think he could do it?

I dont think the salary matters, he's comfortably minted and £4m p/a is hardly a struggle. He'd do it because he knows that anyone who us the title, would become immortal and become a god in footballing history - and i'm sure he'd be convinced of his ability to succeed. That's precisely his character - he thinks nothing is beyond his capabilities. That's also precisely the mindset he puts into his players, something we need more than a desert needs rain.

On a slightly side note, whilst i obviously realise we're not going to be given massive funds to spend on players, i dont think we'll continue working with a completely zero net budget.

I'm not convinced

Mourinho's ego is to be seen as the best

He has no chance of succeeding at Liverpool without massive investment

IF we get investment I think he'd take the job, if not I think he'll take the other jobs (that will be available) at double or triple the salary

As for the zero budget, I dont see how we can give a manager money to spend when A) we are unlikely to be in the Champions League so will need to find more money from somewhere to pay the loan B) we wont have found the £100 milion the banks need

Seriously it sounds like an awful lot of wishful thinking to me

I think Hodgson will jump at the chance by the way

[red g]

I'm not convinced

Mourinho's ego is to be seen as the best

He has no chance of succeeding at Liverpool without massive investment

IF we get investment I think he'd take the job, if not I think he'll take the other jobs (that will be available) at double or triple the salary

As for the zero budget, I dont see how we can give a manager money to spend when A) we are unlikely to be in the Champions League so will need to find more money from somewhere to pay the loan B) we wont have found the £100 milion the banks need

Seriously it sounds like an awful lot of wishful thinking to me

I think Hodgson will jump at the chance by the way

He will be back at Inter milan next year ............

[Lecter]

I disgree with you Lec and this is why.

Mourinho has probably the biggest ego in football today. He has 100% confidence in his own abilities and if someone said to him that whatever you did at chelsea or inter milan will look insignificant in comparison to winning the league with Liverpool, and that as a manager he will go into folklore and our eternal history, then I believe that its a challenge that he would have to accept.

to succeed where souness, evans, houllier and above all Rafa benitez failed would make him a legend within our club and further cement his reputation as one of the best managers in the world today.

Whereas any success at man city will always be tempered with the fact that he bought all his success and he's already done that with chelsea.

The opportunity to earn this sort of kudos or world fame only comes around once in a while and i dont think his ego will let him pass this up.

But you also have to think that Mourinho is pretty savvy

He knows chances at Liverpool WITHOUT financial backing (and rest assured he wouldnt be getting any from the current owners) would mean it is EXTREMELY unlikely / impossible to win the title

Look at this thread despite the general disagreements many have agreed this squad isnt good enough to win the title. I dont see how Mourinho would come in and without any money turn us into title winners and I'm certain Mourinho will be the same

As I said if we get investment I think Mourinho would be like a fly around dog****

If we dont then he wont touch us with a barge pole

[Roboklopp]

Will he bring Danny Murphy back?

[Lecter]

theyve already said that they dont want him because he doesnt play their style of football.

After last nights debacle im certain that pelligrini wont be the manager next season and their only real alternative is Rafa Benitez.

They will come in for him again and with all of the uncertainty surrounding us i think he will go.

With the £20m compensation we get from real, we should look to bring mourinho to the club. He will breed the underdog atmosphere within the club and get the players playing to their maximum.

Motivating players certainly isnt one of his failings and even with a restricted budget im 100% certain that he will do a decent job for us.

My greatest concern is the academy structure that rafa has put into place may actually end up giving us some really good talent and if he goes then the likes of rodolpho burrell and jose segura will probably leave too.

But Purslow needs to get his finger out and get this investment sorted quick.

Mourinho is ruled out because of style of play yet they would go after Rafa

Remember we'd also have to pay Inter compensation for Mourinho and then we'd have to give him a decent salary (I cant see him coming for half what he is on at Inter)

I think what Purslow does is sort of irrelevant because its the owners who have to get down from their high horses and live in the real world. I think Purslow has probably fulfilled his brief in finding potential suitors but its up to the owners to agree to the terms of the buyers (that isnt down to Purslow)

[Craig_H]

I'm not convinced

Mourinho's ego is to be seen as the best

He has no chance of succeeding at Liverpool without massive investment

IF we get investment I think he'd take the job, if not I think he'll take the other jobs (that will be available) at double or triple the salary

As for the zero budget, I dont see how we can give a manager money to spend when A) we are unlikely to be in the Champions League so will need to find more money from somewhere to pay the loan B) we wont have found the £100 milion the banks need

Seriously it sounds like an awful lot of wishful thinking to me

I think Hodgson will jump at the chance by the way

That is your opinion, not a fact.

[Lecter]

That is your opinion, not a fact.

You seriously think Mourinho could win the league with a zero transfer budget?

[el matador]

But you also have to think that Mourinho is pretty savvy

He knows chances at Liverpool WITHOUT financial backing (and rest assured he wouldnt be getting any from the current owners) would mean it is EXTREMELY unlikely / impossible to win the title

Look at this thread despite the general disagreements many have agreed this squad isnt good enough to win the title. I dont see how Mourinho would come in and without any money turn us into title winners and I'm certain Mourinho will be the same

As I said if we get investment I think Mourinho would be like a fly around dog****

If we dont then he wont touch us with a barge pole

I agree that overall our squad isnt good enough to win the league but with a couple of key additions our squad could be half decent. One of the issues we have with rafa is that he wont change the system to suit the squads talent but perseveres with his 4231 formation which requires the three behind torres to be of genuine world class ability. We have kuyt and rodriguez who arent creative enough. Rodriguez in particular has been a massive disappointment. Additionally we all moan about the lack of goals when torres isnt fit but in this system which world class replacement for torres is going to settle for a place on the bench when he's fit ?

When mourinho first started his career with a mid table portugese team he had no money but he created the winning against all the odds mentality and it served him well.

I think with proper motivation, we could get another 20% from the players we already have and the if the likes of babel and aquilani get going all of a sudden things might not look quite as bleak.

As you say, our first 11 is comparable to anyones, but when you get beyond that we look a little shoddy. The alternative is that we sell gerrard, torres amd masher and give him the £150m we get from the sales plus any further money he can get for riera, kuyt, rodriguez and benayoun.

he starts with a clean slate but with a total rebuild on his hands.

[Lecter]

That is your opinion, not a fact.

So is your assertion that he would take the job despite earning double our current managers salary at his current club and despite having a sizeable transfer budget which our current manager doesnt

Also bearing in mind that there are other jobs likely to be available that will A) pay even larger salaries than his current one & B) give him astronomic funds in comparison to us

[Craig_H]

You're talking as if the only thing rafa's failing to do for us, is win the league.

That aside, i also dont believe he'd have a zero transfer budget. I think money would be found, not massive funds, but some. And i think he'd generate funds from player sales, which he'd be allowed to spend IMO.

To answer the question, i think Mourinho would certainly challenge for it, which is far more than Rafa looks like doing, even with the restricted budget.

I have no idea why so mean people keep rebuffing the Mourinho issue with the talk of whether he'd win the league. Whether he would or not, is a matter of opinion obviously, but winning the league isnt the issue, as we're lightyears away from it now, having been 4 points away just 10 months ago.

[Lecter]

I agree that overall our squad isnt good enough to win the league but with a couple of key additions our squad could be half decent. One of the issues we have with rafa is that he wont change the system to suit the squads talent but perseveres with his 4231 formation which requires the three behind torres to be of genuine world class ability. We have kuyt and rodriguez who arent creative enough. Rodriguez in particular has been a massive disappointment. Additionally we all moan about the lack of goals when torres isnt fit but in this system which world class replacement for torres is going to settle for a place on the bench when he's fit ?

When mourinho first started his career with a mid table portugese team he had no money but he created the winning against all the odds mentality and it served him well.

I think with proper motivation, we could get another 20% from the players we already have and the if the likes of babel and aquilani get going all of a sudden things might not look quite as bleak.

As you say, our first 11 is comparable to anyones, but when you get beyond that we look a little shoddy. The alternative is that we sell gerrard, torres amd masher and give him the £150m we get from the sales plus any further money he can get for riera, kuyt, rodriguez and benayoun.

he starts with a clean slate but with a total rebuild on his hands.

Portugal is Portugal, the Premier League is the Premier League

They are poles apart

If we are talking comparisons our current manager won the League in Spain against overwhelming odds and the huge spending power of Real Madrid & Barcelona

Yet as people have pointed out in this thread he hasnt won the league here

[Craig_H]

So is your assertion that he would take the job despite earning double our current managers salary at his current club and despite having a sizeable transfer budget which our current manager doesnt

Also bearing in mind that there are other jobs likely to be available that will A) pay even larger salaries than his current one & B) give him astronomic funds in comparison to us

Yes, my assertation that he'd take the job is indeed my opinion, which is why i generally precede it with 'i think' or make sure that the overriding sentiment has an 'IMO' attached to it. Yours came across as authoritative and informed fact.

Re the other jobs - ive read so much about Mourinho watching Liverpool over the years, and the admiration he apparently has for LFC as an institution, is immense. He also publicly spoke of the awe which he's felt at Anfield, with regards to the fans. I dont know whether you've not heard/read these things, or whether you're just underestimating the sheer pull of LFC, even just in terms of the name. I suspect it's the former, but based on things i have heard and read about him, there is a considerably large amount of evidence that points to Mourinho being massively massively impressed by, and respectful of, the institution that is Liverpool Football Club.

[Neil Young]

In your own mind, you're witty arent you?

Actually I was seeking to make a rather obscure philosophical point which I thought you might appreciate since your own post pointed out another, related irony.

Still, we all have our vanities.

[Lecter]

You're talking as if the only thing rafa's failing to do for us, is win the league.

That aside, i also dont believe he'd have a zero transfer budget. I think money would be found, not massive funds, but some. And i think he'd generate funds from player sales, which he'd be allowed to spend IMO.

To answer the question, i think Mourinho would certainly challenge for it, which is far more than Rafa looks like doing, even with the restricted budget.

I have no idea why so mean people keep rebuffing the Mourinho issue with the talk of whether he'd win the league. Whether he would or not, is a matter of opinion obviously, but winning the league isnt the issue, as we're lightyears away from it now, having been 4 points away just 10 months ago.

Cragi I love the way you put words in my mouth

I never suggested that Rafa's only failing is winning the league

I gave an opinion that under the current circumstances I do not see Mourinho taking the job and if in the unlikely event he did I do not think he would have the transfer budget to win the league

I never gave any opinion as to whether he would be a good appointment or not, nor whether he would perform any better than Rafa

I would also be interested to know where you think money would be found??

All current evidence suggests that our financial situation will continue to be tight and will probably tighten further

Generating money from player sales is going to be his only option and if you look at our squad which players would you be happy to let go that would generate enough funds. To me our most saleable assets are Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano & Reina all of who I'd be loathe to let go. The players I would want to sell on would generate little imo

[Craig_H]

But you also have to think that Mourinho is pretty savvy

He knows chances at Liverpool WITHOUT financial backing (and rest assured he wouldnt be getting any from the current owners) would mean it is EXTREMELY unlikely / impossible to win the title

Look at this thread despite the general disagreements many have agreed this squad isnt good enough to win the title. I dont see how Mourinho would come in and without any money turn us into title winners and I'm certain Mourinho will be the same

As I said if we get investment I think Mourinho would be like a fly around dog****

If we dont then he wont touch us with a barge pole

Cant speak for others but i think this squad is capable of challenging. Not winning, perhaps, but it's a fine line and if you get to the latter stages still in with a chance, it's amazing what pressure on others and adrenalin can do you for you. Looking at Arsenal now, most would look at their squad and say they're far inferior to United or Chelsea (as the thumpings they received against them would also suggest) but they're up there in the race, and it's fair to say that it's probably touch and go whether they can go on to win it.

I wouldnt put my house on them, but i equally wouldnt dismiss the possibility.

So that aside, it's not winning the title i'm on about, but putting in a respectable challenge consistently.

And Mourinho could sell players, and bring in faces he believed in. Over the course of time, he could do this more and more, and this would increase his/our chances IMO.