The New Manager Thread

[Lecter]

What use is laying into them, if it happens time and time again?

Who do you think instills the mentality? They have this mentality because Rafa's spent 5 years preaching it.

You or I could 'lay into them'. So what? It's about getting a winning mentality into them, not spending 5 years instilling a negative one, and then 'laying into them'.

Rafa's proven he cant get them playing and winning for him. Last night wasnt the exception to the rule, it was an accurate example of our level. And the buck stops with one man.

So just one question

IF Rafa has been preaching this mentality for 5 years, who or what inspired the players to finish 2nd last season??

Points, one by one...

We're not Valencia and dont play in La Liga. PL is different and requires different attributes to succeed.

Rafa's footballing mentality IS too cautious and negative, for a top club. We play like a team fighting relegation, we try and hold out for a draw, with the hope of maybe pinching one. That's fine when you play away at Barcelona, but we do it away to everybody. We are the prime example of PL charity-givers. Any team on a losing run, come and play us - we'll help you end it. And striker who hasnt scored in eons - come find us, we'll end your drought for you. It's embarrassing and pathetic. We go to ****ing places like WIGAN and WOLVES and try to just STAY IN THE GAME. Jesus Christ. We're ****ing Liverpool.

The players are restricted with seriously non-expressive, cautious tactics, which dont encourage confidence of proactive attacking play. They've had the inspiration sucked out of them.

Farewell. Til you change your mind.

The fundamental question that should be asked is what has changed from last season to the start of this, that has affected the players belief in our manager

Because for me from day one of this season our players have looked lacking in confidence, passion, belief and ability

Now our manager hasnt changed, I'm pretty certain there has been no radical change in tactics

So what has happened??

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I'm pretty sure that Gerrard commands the dressing room and last night he was quick to mouth off to anyone but I didn't see him hold his hand up once when he delivered yet another abysmal pass. If there's an issue, the lad needs to grow up and start performing like a leader and not a spoiled brat. If he doesn't want the captain's band then he should offer it to Mascher

I cannot believe how deep he played last night, no surging runs, no urgency and at 1 point got tackled thought about chasing back and you almost saw it in his face ....ahh **** it cant be arsed.

The lkad should be in his prime, instead i cannot remember a fall from grace so rapidly as gerrards. His performances are sickening.

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So just one question

IF Rafa has been preaching this mentality for 5 years, who or what inspired the players to finish 2nd last season??





The fundamental question that should be asked is what has changed from last season to the start of this, that has affected the players belief in our manager

Because for me from day one of this season our players have looked lacking in confidence, passion, belief and ability

Now our manager hasnt changed, I'm pretty certain there has been no radical change in tactics

So what has happened??

the only thing that has really changed has stevie lost his midgield partner, maybe that has really affected him and that has spread throughout the team?

[Guest]

So just one question

IF Rafa has been preaching this mentality for 5 years, who or what inspired the players to finish 2nd last season??





The fundamental question that should be asked is what has changed from last season to the start of this, that has affected the players belief in our manager

Because for me from day one of this season our players have looked lacking in confidence, passion, belief and ability

Now our manager hasnt changed, I'm pretty certain there has been no radical change in tactics

So what has happened??

If I had to sacrifice one thing I'd sell Gerrard. He's become too big for his boots. I've got a lot of respect for him and I think he's our best player ever but I don't think he's doing enough and he's certainly not leading by example. He was abysmal last night and one of our major reasons we played so poorly.

Thing is, if Rafa sacks Gerrard, that may backfire on him in the sense that Stevie is considered a legend here and you don't touch your legends. I'd rather sacrifice him rather than losing Rafa and this has got nothing to do with me loving Rafa or not.

In the cold light of day, I just can't see what are Rafa's failings. He put an attacking team last night and they played like ****ing muppets.

[Lecter]

I'm pretty sure that Gerrard commands the dressing room and last night he was quick to mouth off to anyone but I didn't see him hold his hand up once when he delivered yet another abysmal pass. If there's an issue, the lad needs to grow up and start performing like a leader and not a spoiled brat. If he doesn't want the captain's band then he should offer it to Mascher

Gerrard has been appalling (by his standards) this season

Hes looked disinterested, sulky or just plain not fit for 99.9% of this season so far

I cant put my finger on it, I dont buy into this theory that Rafa has lost the dressing room there is something more to it than that

The whole problem has been since the start of the season, The players dont appeared to have picked themselves up since the first handful of games

[Guest]

the only thing that has really changed has stevie lost his midgield partner, maybe that has really affected him and that has spread throughout the team?

Or come on Alonso chose to **** off. You can't be putting the same flawed argument time and again. Stop whining FFS. He's gone, we move on.

[Lecter]

the only thing that has really changed has stevie lost his midgield partner, maybe that has really affected him and that has spread throughout the team?

Its quite possible but I dont think that is the full story

I think this could be debated for months, you'd probably come up with almost a dozen opinions / reasons for our current predicament and the real answer will probably be a number or all of the reasons (in one way or another)

Anyone solely blaming Rafa for our situation is as daft as anyone who is saying it isnt his fault

[Lecter]

Or come on Alonso chose to **** off. You can't be putting the same flawed argument time and again. Stop whining FFS. He's gone, we move on.

Yes Alonso did choose to go but I think the impact of him leaving (on and off the pitch) has been a factor (amongst many) in our fall from 2nd place to also rans

[Guest]

Its quite possible but I dont think that is the full story

I think this could be debated for months, you'd probably come up with almost a dozen opinions / reasons for our current predicament and the real answer will probably be a number or all of the reasons (in one way or another)

Anyone solely blaming Rafa for our situation is as daft as anyone who is saying it isnt his fault

Surely Stevie can't be sulking because he's lost Alonso that would be plain daft.

[Lecter]

If I had to sacrifice one thing I'd sell Gerrard. He's become too big for his boots. I've got a lot of respect for him and I think he's our best player ever but I don't think he's doing enough and he's certainly not leading by example. He was abysmal last night and one of our major reasons we played so poorly.

Thing is, if Rafa sacks Gerrard, that may backfire on him in the sense that Stevie is considered a legend here and you don't touch your legends. I'd rather sacrifice him rather than losing Rafa and this has got nothing to do with me loving Rafa or not.

In the cold light of day, I just can't see what are Rafa's failings. He put an attacking team last night and they played like ****ing muppets.

Gerrard is unsackable imo

We cant get rid of him unless he actually wants out

As for Rafa not having any failings well that is again very open to debate

I think people have to accept Gerrard isnt a central midfielder anymore - so why did we play him there. Aquilani came on and we kept possession far better than when Gerrard was in there

Also the biggest failing last night was Rafa keeping Kuyt on (who was frankly atrocious - and I'm not a Kuyt hater in anyway). Equally Maxi was appalling also

The players and the staff all have a collective responsibility as do the owners for our current position

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Stevie is sulking because he is probably fed up with the majority of ****e players surrounding him. He must want to kill some of his team mates at times, and his frustration is clearly showing this season. Like most of us, he is fed up and he probably thinks that it is time for a change... either for him or for the club.

[Lecter]

Surely Stevie can't be sulking because he's lost Alonso that would be plain daft.

Yeah and so would be sulking when you have been played "out of your position" yet Gerrard has done this twice previously

Despite the fact that both the times he moved to these new positions he was a revelation

Gerrards a complex lad and I think if he has one flaw its that he is by nature a sulk if it isnt going right for him or he isnt getting his own way he sulks

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Or come on Alonso chose to **** off. You can't be putting the same flawed argument time and again. Stop whining FFS. He's gone, we move on.

i never said he didnt? my point was stevie lost his midfield mate.

Personally i think Alonso was a pussy and should have stayed but thats a different argument alltogether.

Lec asked what was different i answered thats all

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Stevie is sulking because he is probably fed up with the majority of ****e players surrounding him. He must want to kill some of his team mates at times, and his frustration is clearly showing this season. Like most of us, he is fed up and he probably thinks that it is time for a change... either for him or for the club.

He's alienating every other player in this team.

[Lecter]

Stevie is sulking because he is probably fed up with the majority of ****e players surrounding him. He must want to kill some of his team mates at times, and his frustration is clearly showing this season. Like most of us, he is fed up and he probably thinks that it is time for a change... either for him or for the club.

So he finishes 2nd last season and immediately starts to sulk from the moment the first ball of a new season is kicked

I reckon you could write half a dozen reasons for his mood and all of them would probably have an element of truth to it

I love Gerrard as a player but this season he needs to look at himself as much as at his teammates

I watched last night and there was one incident that summed up Gerrard at the minute. He had the ball just inside our half was under no pressure and turned and looked for a ball to the wings (to Mascherano), he played the ball and there wasnt a player within 20 yards of it. He looked around as if to blame someone then promptly realised it was his own poor pass not any lack of effort / ability of his teammate that had caused it