The New Manager Thread

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Stevie is sulking because he is probably fed up with the majority of ****e players surrounding him. He must want to kill some of his team mates at times, and his frustration is clearly showing this season. Like most of us, he is fed up and he probably thinks that it is time for a change... either for him or for the club.

Yeah and so would be sulking when you have been played "out of your position" yet Gerrard has done this twice previously

Despite the fact that both the times he moved to these new positions he was a revelation

Gerrards a complex lad and I think if he has one flaw its that he is by nature a sulk if it isnt going right for him or he isnt getting his own way

one thing is for certain i am sure its killing stevie as much as it is us. BUT he can fo something about it.

He should be bombing round like a madmen making it happen, FFS he did it for 5 years under HOuiller.........but then i think thats the probblem, he is to shackled under Rafa and has to do what he says.......which is pissing off The complex gerrard even more!!

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i never said he didnt? my point was stevie lost his midfield mate.

Personally i think Alonso was a pussy and should have stayed but thats a different argument alltogether.

Lec asked what was different i answered thats all

Sorry mate I went off my tits for a moment there. I despise Alonso for how he choose to walk out on us this season. I also hate it when people bang about the Barry situation. Fact is, Alonso was under-performing and Rafa got the best out of him by putting him in front of this fact - perform or face the sack.

I just hope Rafa has the balls to do the same with Gerrard now.

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one thing is for certain i am sure its killing stevie as much as it is us. BUT he can fo something about it.

He should be bombing round like a madmen making it happen, FFS he did it for 5 years under HOuiller.........but then i think thats the probblem, he is to shackled under Rafa and has to do what he says.......which is pissing off The complex gerrard even more!!

He didn't have the same influence nor was he a better player under Houllier. Rafa turned him into a world class player and that is the undeniable fact. So if Mr. Gerrard has a gripe against Rafa for 'shackling' him, then he should **** off.

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Stevie is sulking because he is probably fed up with the majority of ****e players surrounding him. He must want to kill some of his team mates at times, and his frustration is clearly showing this season. Like most of us, he is fed up and he probably thinks that it is time for a change... either for him or for the club.

Just posted this in another thread, seems fitting for here too...

I just think the bloke is too much of a problem. If we're gonna start again we should do it with a clean slate. He's clearly sulking this season and his attitude is ****ing ****. Let's say he doesn't like the manager - not a wildly speculative notion by any means. So, what if he doesn't like the next one either? Why should any prospective new manager have to pander to Gerrard's gargantuan ego and his needs? I'm tired of it. Why don't we just let Steven pick the next manager FFS? Him and Carra can conduct all the interviews.

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So he finishes 2nd last season and immediately starts to sulk from the moment the first ball of a new season is kicked

I reckon you could write half a dozen reasons for his mood and all of them would probably have an element of truth to it

I love Gerrard as a player but this season he needs to look at himself as much as at his teammates

I watched last night and there was one incident that summed up Gerrard at the minute. He had the ball just inside our half was under no pressure and turned and looked for a ball to the wings (to Mascherano), he played the ball and there wasnt a player within 20 yards of it. He looked around as if to blame someone then promptly realised it was his own poor pass not any lack of effort / ability of his teammate that had caused it

i thought when he has those 3 wigan players round him, they tackled him and he sort of did a half hearted 2 foot tackle, then thought about going chasing for a ball and thought couldnt be arsed summed him up more.


It seems to me, stevie hsa someone else to blame though....your right baout that

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one thing is for certain i am sure its killing stevie as much as it is us. BUT he can fo something about it.

He should be bombing round like a madmen making it happen, FFS he did it for 5 years under HOuiller.........but then i think thats the probblem, he is to shackled under Rafa and has to do what he says.......which is pissing off The complex gerrard even more!!

Too shackled under Rafa

Now lets see, Gerrard was an out and out central midfielder when Rafa arrived

Now his BEST position is in the free role just behind the front man

Who put him in that role??

That sounds like a manager letting free of the shackles to me not the other way around

Look at last season he was bombing around, all action and influencing games massively

This season he isnt, has there been any tactical change in his position. Not really hes been used in that same position for the vast majority of the season

Its mystifying and whlst I dont think Benitez is blameless in regards to our current position he certainly isnt at fault for some of our players current form

Sometimes a player has to look at themselves and try a bit harder. Unfortunately Gerrard has just sulked and seems if anything to be letting his own form get to him

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Too shackled under Rafa

Now lets see, Gerrard was an out and out central midfielder when Rafa arrived

Now his BEST position is in the free role just behind the front man

Who put him in that role??

That sounds like a manager letting free of the shackles to me not the other way around

Look at last season he was bombing around, all action and influencing games massively

This season he isnt, has there been any tactical change in his position. Not really hes been used in that same position for the vast majority of the season

Its mystifying and whlst I dont think Benitez is blameless in regards to our current position he certainly isnt at fault for some of our players current form

Sometimes a player has to look at themselves and try a bit harder. Unfortunately Gerrard has just sulked and seems if anything to be letting his own form get to him

He's keeping himself fit and ready to peak at the World cup

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Too shackled under Rafa

Now lets see, Gerrard was an out and out central midfielder when Rafa arrived

Now his BEST position is in the free role just behind the front man

Who put him in that role??

That sounds like a manager letting free of the shackles to me not the other way around

Look at last season he was bombing around, all action and influencing games massively

This season he isnt, has there been any tactical change in his position. Not really hes been used in that same position for the vast majority of the season

Its mystifying and whlst I dont think Benitez is blameless in regards to our current position he certainly isnt at fault for some of our players current form

Sometimes a player has to look at themselves and try a bit harder. Unfortunately Gerrard has just sulked and seems if anything to be letting his own form get to him

actually that is a fair point

so the difference is instead of havign a world class player there like torres, he has had the likes of N'gog so instead of trying harder he has gor tfrustrated.....and played ****ter

Great mentality.

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He's keeping himself fit and ready to peak at the World cup

He'll only be there for a week so why bother

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Yep, more than any other manager Benitez has got the best out of Gerrard. He sulked like **** when he got moved to the right initially, before scoring a load of goals out there. Then Rafa moves him up to play off the striker and he's in the form of his life.

And this is how Gerrard repays him?

I'm sounding like Marky here FFS but my antipathy towards Gerrard has been simmering for a long time. I've never embraced him since he snogged Chelsea, twice. Indisputably a great player, a Roy of the Rovers type of hero for us so often, but **** me...he's hard to love, hard to even like at present, and I think he's a massive problem for us.

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steven gerrard - for whatever faults he may have is still a ****ing world beater though! he hasn't just ogne **** over night - he is cleary ****ed off with the situation - and i personally for the first time in a long time would rather he stayed and rafa went rather than the other way round.

he still has a few good years at the top and i want to see him playing well and enjoying his football in a liverpool shirt. Not somewhere else, and it's obviously not going to happen under rafa benitez

unfortunatley we don't have much money - but somehow, considering how ****e we are we still have 3 world class players in reina, torres and gerrard and a few very good top players capable of playing for a top team, Mascherano, Carragher, Agger, Johnson, with a few decent enough to at least be in the squad as back up - yossi, kuyt,skrtel - for me it's vital too us too keep all of them, to get them playing well and happy, and to add some quality to the squad to fill in the gaps.

If that means rafa along with a dozen or so players has to go so be it. - but i much prefer the prospect of a new manager coming and still having gerrard/reina/torres/carragher/mascherano on board than the prospect of having rafa and losing one/some/all of them

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Yep, more than any other manager Benitez has got the best out of Gerrard. He sulked like **** when he got moved to the right initially, before scoring a load of goals out there. Then Rafa moves him up to play off the striker and he's in the form of his life.

And this is how Gerrard repays him?

I'm sounding like Marky here FFS but my antipathy towards Gerrard has been simmering for a long time. I've never embraced him since he snogged Chelsea, twice. Indisputably a great player, a Roy of the Rovers type of hero for us so often, but **** me...he's hard to love, hard to even like at present, and I think he's a massive problem for us.

I wouldnt get rid of Gerrard myself

I'm really at a loss as to isolate what our exact problem is

I think from the top down our club is a fecking shambles and its almost like we are a plane spiralling down out of control

Shedding passengers isnt gonna help much because the engines are totally ****ed

We need direction and it must come from the top

Unfortunately the current owners are quite happy to hang on for a ride and hope that Superman comes to rescue them from the free-falling plane

Pity that only happens in comic books

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steven gerrard - for whatever faults he may have is still a ****ing world beater though! he hasn't just ogne **** over night - he is cleary ****ed off with the situation - and i personally for the first time in a long time would rather he stayed and rafa went rather than the other way round.

he still has a few good years at the top and i want to see him playing well and enjoying his football in a liverpool shirt. Not somewhere else, and it's obviously not going to happen under rafa benitez

unfortunatley we don't have much money - but somehow, considering how ****e we are we still have 3 world class players in reina, torres and gerrard and a few very good top players capable of playing for a top team, Mascherano, Carragher, Agger, Johnson, with a few decent enough to at least be in the squad as back up - yossi, kuyt,skrtel - for me it's vital too us too keep all of them, to get them playing well and happy, and to add some quality to the squad to fill in the gaps.

If that means rafa along with a dozen or so players has to go so be it. - but i much prefer the prospect of a new manager coming and still having gerrard/reina/torres/carragher/mascherano on board than the prospect of having rafa and losing one/some/all of them

This is where Catch 22 comes along

To can Rafa is gonna cost £20 million

£20 million we dont have

In fact we need £100 million to pay down our debt for this summer

If no investor arrives (and unless the owners get real they wont) then we will have to sell players to pay down this loan or hope that RBS has a change of heart and renews the financing

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I wouldnt get rid of Gerrard myself

I'm really at a loss as to isolate what our exact problem is

I think from the top down our club is a fecking shambles and its almost like we are a plane spiralling down out of control

Shedding passengers isnt gonna help much because the engines are totally ****ed

We need direction and it must come from the top

Unfortunately the current owners are quite happy to hang on for a ride and hope that Superman comes to rescue them from the free-falling plane

Pity that only happens in comic books

Good analogies...depressingly accurate.

I'm not saying ship Gerrard out at all costs, but I'd gladly accept anything above £25m. He'll be thirty in May and at that kinda money it'd be a no-brainer for me.

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Personally I still think back to this article / interview with Reina and wonder how much this has affected the squad as a whole

Liverpool Player Questions Owners ‘Efforts’

Liverpool goalkeeper Pepe Reina feels winning the Premier League title is “not a realistic objective” for his side this season.
The Reds finished second last term but their hopes of a first league title since 1989/90 have been hit by two defeats in their opening four games.
Reina told The Guardian: “There isn’t frustration, there is resignation.
“Maybe it’s time to get realistic and not think about the title but just about winning the next game.”
Liverpool sold midfielder Xabi Alonso during the summer and, despite them spending around £38m to bring in Glen Johnson from Portsmouth and Alberto Aquilani from Roma, question marks remain over the depth of manager Rafael Benitez’s squad.

Teams like Manchester United have lots of players who can tip the balance; we haven’t got the individuals

Reina feels his side lacks the quality that is needed, adding: “We know what’s in the squad; we can’t do anything about it. All we can do is roll our sleeves up, work hard and try to win matches.
“Teams like Manchester United have lots of players who can tip the balance; we haven’t got the individuals.
“There are games that get congested and we haven’t got the vision other sides boast. Chelsea have Didier Drogba, who can bring down any ball – a useful option we haven’t got.”
The 27-year-old Spanish goalkeeper, whose only silverware with the Reds since making a £6m move from Villarreal in 2005 is the 2006 FA Cup, called upon the club’s American co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks to improve Liverpool’s chances by giving Benitez more money to spend.

“It would be good if the owners made an effort economically, if they pushed.” Reina said.
“It would be lovely if we found ourselves in an economic position where we can bring in players and build a squad that can compete with other sides.
“But it’s up to the owners to try to bring players in, not us.”
Reina feels that Liverpool’s title hopes are not over yet but admits they are struggling to live up to their pre-season billing as one of the main challengers.
“Can we win the league? I think so but there are other teams that are very capable of winning it – Chelsea, United, Arsenal, Manchester City.
“We can’t set ourselves objectives. We all want to win the league