The New Manager Thread

[javier_monsterano]

How about adding a poll to this thread.
just to see who most would like as their new manager.

[Mike]

Think its been done before, wasnt too sure though.

[Mike]

Plus, the poll would be too vast: a lot of people ---> a lot of nominations

[Taxi]

It's an analogy, an abstract one which you fail to understand.



No other manager will make this team win the league and under the same circumstances, will achieve 4th place with it.

If that same set of circumstances included playing with lucas and mascher, selling strikers without replacement, consistently playing kuyt on the wing, reducing Babel to 10 minute cameo roles, spending a wad load of cash on a longterm injured italian, and playing with 1 man up front against the leagues cannon fodder, then yes I'd agree, but then most managers wouldn't do that.

Quite a few of the leagues managers would achieve 4th or better with this squad imo. I can't see any other top manager losing 9 games by mid March and most would not be playing 2 defensive midfielders continuously. I also don't think that most managers would've reduced our striking reosurces to Torres and Ngog, or risked losing Alonso by offering him around europe whilst in pursuit of the inferior Barry.

[fred_plasticine]

It is interesting to see, how all these fancyful names are thrown into the ring, completely ignoring any managers from Germany (and I do not include Klinsmann in that category).

Has anyone ever considered Felix Magath, who not only won the German championship and cup twice with Bayern, but took a middle class team, Wolfsburg, to collect the title last season. This season he managed to form a reliable team in Schalke who are in second position as we speak.

This may not have the glamour some other suggestions here have, but Magath has a CV well worth reading.

magath? absolutely. low profile outside germany but a top manager. plus he's learned from one of the best - ernst happel.

[el nino9]

If that same set of circumstances included playing with lucas and mascher, selling strikers without replacement, consistently playing kuyt on the wing, reducing Babel to 10 minute cameo roles, spending a wad load of cash on a longterm injured italian, and playing with 1 man up front against the leagues cannon fodder, then yes I'd agree, but then most managers wouldn't do that.

Quite a few of the leagues managers would achieve 4th or better with this squad imo. I can't see any other top manager losing 9 games by mid March and most would not be playing 2 defensive midfielders continuously. I also don't think that most managers would've reduced our striking reosurces to Torres and Ngog, or risked losing Alonso by offering him around europe whilst in pursuit of the inferior Barry.

i think you are spot on imo, when you look at the players we had and shipped out ie: crouch, Keane (6 mths not enough time to grow good size tomatoes let alone adjust to another club by sitting on the bench), Bellamy,alonso, Garcia,riise to name but a few,
but were these not sold to fund the "better quality players" rafa kept saying he has now

[Neil Young]

Crouch wouldn't play back up to Torres (and we all know who we'd rather have in the first 11), Keane's ****, Bellamy's a luxury because he's so inconsistent, Alonso wanted to go, Garcia wasn't that great, Riise was never that great...

Seriously, Keane is ****. Absolute ****.

[red g]

i only want a manager who prioritises flair, skill, individuality, creativity.......

a manager who sets his team upto win and not to get beat.

thats all i ask

[wiw]

Nobody else think Woy has found his level at Fulham? No real pressure, quietly gets on with it. Pretty much the antithesis of the L'pool job

[The Erectile Banana]

Crouch wouldn't play back up to Torres (and we all know who we'd rather have in the first 11), Keane's ****, Bellamy's a luxury because he's so inconsistent, Alonso wanted to go, Garcia wasn't that great, Riise was never that great...

Seriously, Keane is ****. Absolute ****.

Have to say that I agree with all that.

I'm sure Rafa would have kept Crouch and Alonso if he'd been able to.

The rest are no great miss. Bellamy's had a good season for Man City, but as Neil said he's very inconsistent.

[Craig_H]

Crouch wouldn't play back up to Torres (and we all know who we'd rather have in the first 11), Keane's ****, Bellamy's a luxury because he's so inconsistent, Alonso wanted to go, Garcia wasn't that great, Riise was never that great...

Seriously, Keane is ****. Absolute ****.

You're like Campbell, to Rafa's Blair
Bite fido, bite!
You really are.

[Guest]

So if we dont achieve 4th place, with a squad that's capable of 4th place, who's fault is it?

There are reasons for that. We lost Alonso, had to draft in a player who started playing 3 months into the season, had our best players in the poorest form of their life and we had a ridiculous amount of injuries. Isn't that enough for you? It seems not, carry on then but the only fact you're basing your analysis on is that we're struggling at 7th and it's simplistic to put all the blame solely to Benitez. You argue in a 'non simplistic' way your argument which is overly simplistic.

Fact is that it's not been easy for Rafa to deal with all these things this season. Some he hasn't done well, some he has, such as sorting out our defence. Tough luck like losing central defenders on a regular basis disrupts our rhythm, especially in central defence. We've had a dysfunctional team lead by a dysfunctional team captain which hasn't aided.

[Guest]

If that same set of circumstances included playing with lucas and mascher, selling strikers without replacement, consistently playing kuyt on the wing, reducing Babel to 10 minute cameo roles, spending a wad load of cash on a longterm injured italian, and playing with 1 man up front against the leagues cannon fodder, then yes I'd agree, but then most managers wouldn't do that.

Quite a few of the leagues managers would achieve 4th or better with this squad imo. I can't see any other top manager losing 9 games by mid March and most would not be playing 2 defensive midfielders continuously. I also don't think that most managers would've reduced our striking reosurces to Torres and Ngog, or risked losing Alonso by offering him around europe whilst in pursuit of the inferior Barry.

He sold Keane but all the money was sucked in by our debts, by the look of things. We had Voronin who was on loan so Rafa, in view of the situation drafted him back in the squad. If he had the money you would have seen a player coming in.

As for the 2 defensive midfielders argument, this is bull****. Alonso wasn't an attacking player, how many goals did he score from midfield? He was an excellent player but **** it, it's difficult to replace someone of this calibre and we don't have any money to have the luxury to pick and choose.

[Guest]

dunno about 35 but there are alot of spanish people at the club

What's wrong with that?

[Craig_H]

There are reasons for that. We lost Alonso, had to draft in a player who started playing 3 months into the season, had our best players in the poorest form of their life and we had a ridiculous amount of injuries. Isn't that enough for you? It seems not, carry on then but the only fact you're basing your analysis on is that we're struggling at 7th and it's simplistic to put all the blame solely to Benitez. You argue in a 'non simplistic' way your argument which is overly simplistic.

Fact is that it's not been easy for Rafa to deal with all these things this season. Some he hasn't done well, some he has, such as sorting out our defence. Tough luck like losing central defenders on a regular basis disrupts our rhythm, especially in central defence. We've had a dysfunctional team lead by a dysfunctional team captain which hasn't aided.

The 'reasons' are because of mistakes by the manager.

If you realise that the loss of alonso was so crucial, why dont you see that his loss was down to the manager pissing him off?

For once and for all - it's the manager's role to get the team performing well. If they're out of form, drop them. If there arent good enough replacements, that's his fault. He signed the players who arent good enough .