The New Manager Thread

[Darkon]

If we're using the team Rafa inherited at Valencia against him, then we surely have to say the same for the Chelsea squad Jose inherited? Let alone the money he had to build on it further

It is quite a poor argument

The big issue is how the manager gets the players he has available to him to perform, and this is where Rafa in the long run have failed in the league and domestic cups beside the one FA cup. Especially considering he has now had the time needed to asemble a squad that can match his own philosophy of football.

It was an incredible feat for Rafa to win the CL with the players available to him , but lets face it we have achieved very little since then and less and less as he has asembled his own squad.

I have lost faith in Rafa now, but it might change again you never know, but right now I really feel we need a change in management. I don't think it's particular realistic to get Mourinho atm. but perhaps some of the better German managers or Blanc is interesting options. I would right now prefer to get a manager that knows LFC through and through as I feel we have lost a lot during the years of Houllier and Rafa in terms of talent produce and the local touch of the club (ironic I know when being a foreigner myself). Not that I have any brilliant choice at hand though...

[Craig_H]

Mourihno's teams are boring and the dull draws prove this point.

Have you seen some of our games recently? Dull boring draws. Or defeats, actually.

Mourinho won titles and got results with it. Rafa doesnt.

Who's the better manager then?

[red g]

I hate mourinho

I do like his home record though

[Craig_H]

Thats been a failure of ours since the Dalglish era

We have had various managers with various differring philosophies and yet all have struggled against inferior opposition at times

Not 9 times in one season though.

You've mentioned before how you dont think rafa's blameless, but every single post of yours focuses on defending his every move, and not once have i seen you actually post anything critical about him, other than 'he is not blameless', which isnt far off saying 'he isnt perfect'.

So bearing that in mind, there's a lack of balance.

[Mike]

To be honest i dont think anyone is arsed how we play, so long as we win.

People moaning about Mourinho is only because they dont like his personality and are searching for flaws in the man, if we wanted a manager with a nice personality we would go and get fonzy ffs!

We want a manager, one to get the best out of the team, one who will get this club trophies; Mourinho is the best candidate. Who cares if we play **** football, for those people moaning about it, i bet you wouldnt be moaning when we are top of the league and winning trophies again.

[Craig_H]

Last season is the most successful season we had (in league terms) that I can remember against lower quality opposition

I know craig has said that we were lucky at times with players being sent off, late goals etc..... BUT in the games when we did nick a win we put the opposition under huge amounts of pressure near the end of the game. At times we were literally pinning them back on their own penalty box

Eventually that pressure would force a mistake and we would get a goal

Still I do remember we had a period of draws that wrecked our title chances so maybe it wasnt quite as rosey as I remembered

I agree with all this actually, piling men into the box, putting opponents under massive pressure, forcing the inevitable error - that's spot on, that's what you should be doing when you need a goal.

Why have we only done it during one period (10-12 weeks or so) of Rafa's tenure? That's what the mancs do, more or less whenever they're in need of a goal. And look how their fortunes have been.

It's fairly simple, as i'm sure you know mate. You press opponents, give them no time to settle, and mistakes are then forced, which you capitalise on.

We dont do this though. At least, not as 'the norm' anyway.

[Roboklopp]

Not 9 times in one season though.

You've mentioned before how you dont think rafa's blameless, but every single post of yours focuses on defending his every move, and not once have i seen you actually post anything critical about him, other than 'he is not blameless', which isnt far off saying 'he isnt perfect'.

So bearing that in mind, there's a lack of balance.

Only cos a lot of people are laying the blame solely at Rafa's door.

[Craig_H]

The 'not getting enough out of our squad' IS entirely Rafa's fault.

You can argue about the merits of the squad and why it isnt perhaps better, which isnt solely down to him. But the level of output from the squad we do have, is poor - that's down to the manager.

[Guest]

Mourihno built Porto as a defensive counter attacking side and Chelsea, to a large extent, was the same when he first arrived. He didn't buy Robben, he was already lined up by the previous hierarchy, he just inherited the team. He's been hired by Inter to turn them into CL winners, which I think he's going to miss on again.

[Craig_H]

Mourihno built Porto as a defensive counter attacking side and Chelsea, to a large extent, was the same when he first arrived. He didn't buy Robben, he was already lined up by the previous hierarchy, he just inherited the team. He's been hired by Inter to turn them into CL winners, which I think he's going to miss on again.

The same as Rafa has built us to be, then. Except Mourinho won titles.

How do you know who had what players lined up? Are you privvy to their confidential documents?

[red g]

After Rafa benitez i would say the one thing we really need is a coach who can get the best out of the players....and that is one thing Mourinho definitely does.

I am pretty sure he would have the team believing in themselves again

[Guest]

The same as Rafa has built us to be, then. Except Mourinho won titles.

How do you know who had what players lined up? Are you privvy to their confidential documents?

Robben was actually signed the season before and this information was in the public domain.

Mourihno won titles because he had a treasure chest of £350m to build a squad of world class players, Rafa didn't, he had to scrap the barrel. Remember that guy Nunez? He won us the CL with a team of nobodies. Remember Djimi Traore? Where is he now? Mourihno was outwitted by Rafa and he didn't like it, that's why he was so disgraceful in defeat. Imagine being beaten by a team which was valued at a fraction of Chelsea's. Mind you, he wanted to rip us off of Steven Gerrard too.

[Chazza]

To be honest i dont think anyone is arsed how we play, so long as we win.

People moaning about Mourinho is only because they dont like his personality and are searching for flaws in the man, if we wanted a manager with a nice personality we would go and get fonzy ffs!

We want a manager, one to get the best out of the team, one who will get this club trophies; Mourinho is the best candidate. Who cares if we play **** football, for those people moaning about it, i bet you wouldnt be moaning when we are top of the league and winning trophies again.

Spot on with the 'quality' of the football, we need someone who can turn these players back into a winning team, the style/manner in which we play is not important until we start winning trophies on a regular basis, although trying to change it then can cause problems.

Some Chelsea fans were moaning about the quality of football towards the end of Mourinhos reign, Scolari came in tried to change it to a style more pleaseing on the eye and didnt last a season, since then Grant, Hiddink and Ancellotti have gone back to a much more solid and rigid style

Arsenal can play the best football in the League but have continually come up short when it counts.

We need a manger to drag these players back to a level which they are capable of, cos without a change in the boardroom they are gonna have to work with what they have.

[Mike]

Plus, remember how many late winners Chelsea got under Mourinho? He had them playing right until the final whistle, only him and Fergie do that well.

We need that.

[Guest]

After Rafa benitez i would say the one thing we really need is a coach who can get the best out of the players....and that is one thing Mourinho definitely does.

I am pretty sure he would have the team believing in themselves again

After Benitez? You mean 5 years down the line no?