The New Manager Thread

[bradsdad]

this is how the team should look now the fact that it doesnt has to be something to do with rafa

reina
johnson jamie agger risse
a half decent proper right winger stevie masher bellamy
crouch torres

now would we be where we are now if that had been the team
or am i just bein stupid

[red g]

this is how the team should look now the fact that it doesnt has to be something to do with rafa

reina
johnson jamie agger risse
a half decent proper right winger stevie masher bellamy
crouch torres

now would we be where we are now if that had been the team
or am i just bein stupid

so lets get this right its Rafa's fault we dont have :-

Riise
bellamy
crouch
a half decent proper winger ......


but then it stands to reason its also Rafa'sa fault we have

Torres
Masher
Johnson
Agger

which list are you more grateful for?

[Taxi]

[quote=pezzzer;1545806][quote=Craig_H;1545789]My only 'agenda' is for LFC to be successful and i cannot see it under Rafa. I dont CHOOSE to feel this way, i dont WANT to believe that we cant succeed to our full potential under him - that's just how i feel. I cant control that, but my wishes for the future are determined by it. I want to believe that Rafa will take us to glory - i just dont, cant help that.

I dont blame it 'all' on rafa. I do, however, feel our squad is comfortably good enough to be putting teams like Wolves, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Reading and Wigan to the sword. If it was the odd game, that's normal, can happen to any team. But it's not, it's regular. Woeful football and losing to ****e sides has become the norm for us.

For what it's worth, i'm not the only one who thinks a change of manager is what's needed - check a couple of the other threads, and you'll see plenty of others share this view. Why dont you go attack their views, and imply that they're disloyal or lack passion for the club?

Craig when will you see that WE ALL WANT GOOD FORTUNE FOR OUR CLUB ffs. Your really not getting it are you? All we are trying to tell you is that you cant solve the core of the problem by sacking one of the best managers in europe, a manager i might add who would be snaapped up by any of europes top clubs in a heart beat if we did sack him.

Its one bad season ffs craig, yes we are ALL frustrated and YES we can all Knee Jerk after a bad game like wigan, but get a grip man.

Answer me this Craig, why did rafa stay when he was offered more money and far better financial backing from real madrid etc?

Why did rafa stay when time after time the board refused to back his no1 targets?

How does rafa expect to win the league when he is financially out-muscled by more clubs than ever before?

Il tell you ****ing why, because he is LFC through and bloody through and knows that with our glorious history behind us he can create more glorious times ahead.

I think its called BELIEF craig.

Look it up mate

I know its a bit pedantic, but I've read it a couple of times now in the last 2 pages that this is his first bad season. Those people seem to have fortgotten that we were beaten to 4th by Everton once under Rafa as well.

On the expenditure side of things, well, what other club outside of Man Utd and Chelsea can claim to have 5 £20m+ players? We just cannot use this excuse in the race to qualify for 4th spot. 1st and 2nd yes.

Even the best managers lose their way and need fresh challenges. Rafa's football has become tedious and predictable, and for you to say that this is a kneejerk reaction is absolutely pathetic. Since when has a kneejerk reaction been the result of 8 months of inconsistency which seems to be no nearer to being turned around. The body language of our players to me shows a lack of belief in what could be the manager, the quality of the players around themselves, the tactics, the fact that some of them are forever playing bit part roles, being played out of position, who knows, but I'm sure that a lot of it may come down to the manager.

If we're so sure that he can turn this around, why has he not yet, in March, turned our performances around to anything nearing consistency? Why will "next year" mean things will improve.

He's done his time, he needs to move on and he will do so come May when LFC are out of the CL and sitting 6th or 7th in the EPL.

[Roboklopp]

Ooooh ya bitch!

Besides, I rarely post in the football forum nowadays for the reasons you describe. Although discovering as a mod I can still put people on ignore has been a revelation

Testing Testing- Reece can you hear meeeeee??????!!!!!!!????

[barnes10]

[quote=Taxi;1545928][quote=pezzzer;1545806]

My only 'agenda' is for LFC to be successful and i cannot see it under Rafa. I dont CHOOSE to feel this way, i dont WANT to believe that we cant succeed to our full potential under him - that's just how i feel. I cant control that, but my wishes for the future are determined by it. I want to believe that Rafa will take us to glory - i just dont, cant help that.

I dont blame it 'all' on rafa. I do, however, feel our squad is comfortably good enough to be putting teams like Wolves, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Reading and Wigan to the sword. If it was the odd game, that's normal, can happen to any team. But it's not, it's regular. Woeful football and losing to ****e sides has become the norm for us.

For what it's worth, i'm not the only one who thinks a change of manager is what's needed - check a couple of the other threads, and you'll see plenty of others share this view. Why dont you go attack their views, and imply that they're disloyal or lack passion for the club?

I know its a bit pedantic, but I've read it a couple of times now in the last 2 pages that this is his first bad season. Those people seem to have fortgotten that we were beaten to 4th by Everton once under Rafa as well.

On the expenditure side of things, well, what other club outside of Man Utd and Chelsea can claim to have 5 £20m+ players? We just cannot use this excuse in the race to qualify for 4th spot. 1st and 2nd yes.

Even the best managers lose their way and need fresh challenges. Rafa's football has become tedious and predictable, and for you to say that this is a kneejerk reaction is absolutely pathetic. Since when has a kneejerk reaction been the result of 8 months of inconsistency which seems to be no nearer to being turned around. The body language of our players to me shows a lack of belief in what could be the manager, the quality of the players around themselves, the tactics, the fact that some of them are forever playing bit part roles, being played out of position, who knows, but I'm sure that a lot of it may come down to the manager.

If we're so sure that he can turn this around, why has he not yet, in March, turned our performances around to anything nearing consistency? Why will "next year" mean things will improve.

He's done his time, he needs to move on and he will do so come May when LFC are out of the CL and sitting 6th or 7th in the EPL.

do you mean worth £20 mill? if so try Arsenal, Spurs and Man City? if you mean spent then of course its just city.

however in the race for 4th, its worth £20mill that counts. Credit therefore is due to wenger that he's developed his squad. It has taken him and rafa's record domestically and in europe is comfortably better than wengers since rafa's been here. city, as we know, are just doign a chelsea so we can only watch and see what happens there frankly.

so using arsenal as the closest comparison, wenger had what, 4 years to rebuild on a budget. surely its only fair that we give rafa something similar given he too is on a tight budget?

sprus and villa have been even worse over the last few years so if we have 1 bad season, claiming they're better is a farce as was everton in 05 when we were busy winning no 5.

sack rafa if he's lost the dressing room. but believe me, his hands have been massively tied and he's had far too many distractions during his tenure. therefore we've not given him a fair crack of the whip compared to other managers at their clubs have we.

dont expect another manager to work miracles under the same shambolic framework of 4th/5th highest cash and arsehole owners. oneil or redknapp winning us the league with that? mourinho wouldnt touch the club given this framework as he's publicly stated.

rafa goes and i think we're truly ****ed whilst those yank *******s are in charge.

**** you david moores, **** you rick parry

[Craig_H]

Barnes10 - i dont know what you've done with the quote marks, but i didnt say those things mate

[Taxi]

[quote=barnes10;1545965][quote=Taxi;1545928]

do you mean worth £20 mill? if so try Arsenal, Spurs and Man City? if you mean spent then of course its just city.

however in the race for 4th, its worth £20mill that counts. Credit therefore is due to wenger that he's developed his squad. It has taken him and rafa's record domestically and in europe is comfortably better than wengers since rafa's been here. city, as we know, are just doign a chelsea so we can only watch and see what happens there frankly.

so using arsenal as the closest comparison, wenger had what, 4 years to rebuild on a budget. surely its only fair that we give rafa something similar given he too is on a tight budget?

sprus and villa have been even worse over the last few years so if we have 1 bad season, claiming they're better is a farce as was everton in 05 when we were busy winning no 5.

sack rafa if he's lost the dressing room. but believe me, his hands have been massively tied and he's had far too many distractions during his tenure. therefore we've not given him a fair crack of the whip compared to other managers at their clubs have we.

dont expect another manager to work miracles under the same shambolic framework of 4th/5th highest cash and arsehole owners. oneil or redknapp winning us the league with that? mourinho wouldnt touch the club given this framework as he's publicly stated.

rafa goes and i think we're truly ****ed whilst those yank *******s are in charge.

**** you david moores, **** you rick parry

I can't see 5 £20m+ players at Spurs myself, Arsenal yes not sure I could pick 5 genuine £20m+ players at City either, but I suppose its all opinions.

Wenger has consistently qualified for the CL though hasn't he? Not 100% sure on that, but I think so. On rebuilding, is Rafa not still building from 6 years ago or are we now saying that he's built, but now that we are on the brink of almighty failure this season, we now need to give him another 4 years to rebuild? I don't quite agree with that.

Yes we were busy winning number 5 but it still doesn't excuse the fact that Moyes took Everton to 4th ahead of us over 38 games. The EPL is the main thing and without a top 4 finish the financial implications are huge which is why its the most important competition there is and it is a priority.

IMO we've given him a very fair crack of the whip, this is his 6th year and now, the first time in his tenure that he's actually had a little competition, he's going to fail to finish in the top 4 for the 2nd time, thats a 33% failure rate (if things stay as they are).

The thing that I need to state here is that I don't/havent expected Rafa to win the league, I'm realistic about that, but Rafa, if he is the great that people say he is, should qualify in the top 4 and should be a lot closer to the top of the league.

People often lay the praise on Rafa for winning us the CL, lay the praise on him for last seasons 2nd, but blame the players, the board and everyone else for this season? A lot of our failings this season are down to Rafa imo. (this last part was not aimed at you btw)

[MrMichael]

Barnes10 - i dont know what you've done with the quote marks, but i didnt say those things mate

You said some of them - http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...&postcount=471

The second half is by Taxi.

[Craig_H]

You said some of them - http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/show...&postcount=471

Nah, yeah i said that bit:

My only 'agenda' is for LFC to be successful and i cannot see it under Rafa. I dont CHOOSE to feel this way, i dont WANT to believe that we cant succeed to our full potential under him - that's just how i feel. I cant control that, but my wishes for the future are determined by it. I want to believe that Rafa will take us to glory - i just dont, cant help that.

I dont blame it 'all' on rafa. I do, however, feel our squad is comfortably good enough to be putting teams like Wolves, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Reading and Wigan to the sword. If it was the odd game, that's normal, can happen to any team. But it's not, it's regular. Woeful football and losing to ****e sides has become the norm for us.

I meant the bits in bold. But yeah, half of that quote bit was said by me and the second half wasnt. Something went a bit awry with the quoting process

[Lecter]

Oh joy, we wont be relegated! Get that open top bus ready! You do make me laugh sometimes.

As for the fans' support - matchgoing fans are 50/50, i would say.

The problem is even if the majority of fans supported sacking Rafa we dont have the financial clout to do it

Think about this logically

We have invested zero in the transfer market this season (last figures I saw had us making a £4 million profit so far)

We have a £30 million interest bill to pay each year

Refinance is due in July and the banks have asked the owners to stump up a further £100 million

You think the owners or the banks would be happy to see us pay £20 million to sack our current manager???

The only way Rafa goes is if the owners sell up / find someone stupid enough to cough up £100 million for a minority stakeholding or he decides hes had enough and walks

Frankly I dont see any of these things happening anytime soon

[Taxi]

The problem is even if the majority of fans supported sacking Rafa we dont have the financial clout to do it

Think about this logically

We have invested zero in the transfer market this season (last figures I saw had us making a £4 million profit so far)

We have a £30 million interest bill to pay each year

Refinance is due in July and the banks have asked the owners to stump up a further £100 million

You think the owners or the banks would be happy to see us pay £20 million to sack our current manager???

The only way Rafa goes is if the owners sell up / find someone stupid enough to cough up £100 million for a minority stakeholding or he decides hes had enough and walks

Frankly I dont see any of these things happening anytime soon

Yeah, good point but I can see him walking though.

[Lecter]

Lec, every team in the Premiership can claim it has injuries and bad luck. Look at how Arsenal and the Scum played in the CL this week. I would argue that player for player we have as good a first team as either of them.

Arsenal were missing their captain and best player, and have been without their best striker for practically the entire season. Yet they are a couple of points off the top! With a team in which I would only count Arshevin and maybe Nasri as world class, they tore Porto a new one yesterday.

Everyone said that the scum were done this year after losing Ronaldo and Tevez, and yet they have got stronger and added only one player, Valencia, who is hardly world class. No matter what team they put out, they batter teams. We did that for 3 months in nearly six seasons, yet you are selecting that 3 months as the norm.

The lack of money does not explain how a team full of internationals can have performances like we've seen against Wigan, Sunderland, Wolves, Portsmouth, Reading and the like.

Injuries? Luck? We are certainly clutching at excuses now.

No way have we as good a team as either United or Arsenal player for player

Yes teams have injuries but lets look at United and take out their best player for the bulk of this season - That would be Rooney their top scorer with 20 odd goals

You dont think it would affect them??

Take out Fabregas from Arsenal or Drogba from Chelsea and you can see the impact it can have

Now I'm not suggesting we would be top of the league had we not had such injuries to Gerrard & Torres but I think we'd be a damn sight closer to 4th

[Lecter]

Yeah, good point but I can see him walking though.

I can think of 20 million reasons why he wont

[Lecter]

People can certainly argue that we dont have the players to challenge for the title and that Rafa's not had the money to sign such players. Fine.

But who in their right mind is going to try and tell me that our squad/team is of a level, so ****, that we cant beat teams like Pompey, Wigan, Sunderland, Reading, Wolves etc etc.

[Lecter]

To be honest, I given up all hope of us challenging for anything in the foreseeable future, as have most reds I know. At this point I'd be happy just to watch us pass the ball about with a bit of purpose.

We will not challenge for 4th spot nevermind the title if the current owners stay in charge