The New Manager Thread

[Craig_H]

No offence mate, but the day i take anything from RAWK seriously, is the day i give up on everything.

[Lecter]

No offence mate, but the day i take anything from RAWK seriously, is the day i give up on everything.

None taken, I have the same feeling towards our owners

[Craig_H]

I share that sentiment too, for what it's worth

[barnes10]

I share that sentiment too, for what it's worth

interesting then that your angle seems to be that rafa out will be good for us. treating a symptom not a cause there surely?

[Taxi]

Carra hasn't refused to sign a new contract, he hasn't been offered one.

[Taxi]

If Rafa goes I can see the the two idiots getting Toshack....

ex red, check,
managed big clubs, check,
cheap, check

yeehaaww

[Craig_H]

interesting then that your angle seems to be that rafa out will be good for us. treating a symptom not a cause there surely?

I want the owners out more than i want rafa out.

I dont underestimate the impact they have had. But i've always had doubts about rafa's footballing mentality and philosophies and G&H or not, i still think it's time to change direction in terms of the manager.

[Will]

Who is holding us back? Rafa or the owners? Also, great news out of Eastlands today eh

[red g]

Who is holding us back? Rafa or the owners? Also, great news out of Eastlands today eh

the owners have created the mess, Rafa cant make it better

[Will]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rorysmith/100005983/sacking-rafael-benitez-is-just-fiddling-while-liverpool-burn/

As Liverpool’s team plane touched down in Lille on Wednesday night, a dozen or so BlackBerries buzzed in the cheap seats. Email after email came through from Liverpool supporters with the foresight to copy journalists in on a missive directed at the Government-owned Royal Bank of Scotland, which decides in July whether to offer the club’s owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, a refinancing deal on Liverpool’s £237 million debt. A little over 36 hours later, The Daily Telegraph’s received tally stands at about 150 or so.

Kudos, of course, to the supporters who mobilised the power of an internet forum and Facebook to launch an organic campaign, and kudos to those who took the time to take part. But look at that figure. 150 emails. Of all the thousands who scour the internet forums and all the millions of Liverpool fans around the world. 150 emails. 150 people with five minutes to spare for the club they love.

Compare and contrast that to the ever-growing numbers – boosted after defeat in Lille, as the emails kept trickling through – adamant that Rafael Benitez must be sacked, that his increasingly likely failure to lead Liverpool back into the Champions League is a capital offence, that a new manager – Jose Mourinho, Fabio Capello, whoever – is the answer to their problems and prayers. Such thinking is deluded, and dangerous. The vast majority of Liverpool’s supporters are concerned with fiddling while their club burns.

There is a danger, with Liverpool, that suggesting there are greater problems than the Spaniard’s cautious tactics is seen as absolution of his sins. This, though, is not an apologia for Benitez. He, and his team, have had a poor season. They have lost 15 times. That is not good enough. Many of his players, his buys, are not good enough, and those that are good enough – Pepe Reina aside – are not playing well enough. That is, in part, his responsibility, and his failing.

Benitez, like all managers, will find his position reviewed at the end of the season. If Liverpool, for the first time in his spell at Anfield, are not in the Champions League, he may find his tenure drawn to a close. Posterity will prove, though, that the most significant denouement to their campaign is not whether the axe falls on Benitez or not, but who is wielding it.

If it is still Hicks and Gillett, removing Benitez will do little. His successor will find himself weighed down by the albatross of that debt, forced to sell to buy, handed just a percentage of what he raises, unable to overhaul a squad at the limit of its ability and patience, hamstrung by owners with neither the funds nor the inclination to deliver on Hicks’s promise of a “big” summer in the transfer market. True, he may play better football, or get a better press by virtue of being British, but only a miracle-worker could satisfy the Kop’s demands in such circumstances.

Under Hicks and Gillett, without outside investment, without some sort of change in the boardroom, without the funds to build a new stadium and the impetus to compete, Liverpool will slide into mediocrity, whether Benitez, Rinus Michels or Tele Santana is manager.

It may be Liverpool’s pursuit of fourth place which generates the headlines and the fury, which is seen as crucial to the club’s future, but Liverpool could, just, absorb the blow of missing out on the Champions League both in terms of finances and prestige. Missing out on investment, or on new owners? Sadly not. The battle that must be won, that they cannot afford to lose, is off the pitch. And only 150 people see it.

[Craig_H]

the owners have created the mess, Rafa cant make it better

The owners created their mess and rafa's strange decision making at times, has created one of his own for him, which he cant/wont fix.

[barnes10]

The owners created their mess and rafa's strange decision making at times, has created one of his own for him, which he cant/wont fix.

no manager is perfect.

[Craig_H]

no manager is perfect.

Ha ha.

There's 'not perfect'. And then there's 15 defeats in one season, and counting.

Nobody's asking for perfect. I think most of us are just asking for 'fairly decent, or sometimes good'. And we're also asking for a table of 'number of defeats in all competitions' not to look anything like this:

Aston Villa 6.
Manchester City 6.
Chelsea 7.
Spurs 8.
Manchester United 8.
Arsenal 8.
Birmingham 11.
Stoke 11.
Fulham 13.
Everton have 14.
Blackburn 14.
Sunderland 14.
West Ham 15.
Liverpool 15.

Embarrassing.

[Vermilion]

Ha ha.

There's 'not perfect'. And then there's 15 defeats in one season, and counting.

Nobody's asking for perfect. I think most of us are just asking for 'fairly decent, or sometimes good'. And we're also asking for a table of 'number of defeats in all competitions' not to look anything like this:

Aston Villa 6.
Manchester City 6.
Chelsea 7.
Spurs 8.
Manchester United 8.
Arsenal 8.
Birmingham 11.
Stoke 11.
Fulham 13.
Everton have 14.
Blackburn 14.
Sunderland 14.
West Ham 15.
Liverpool 15.

Embarrassing.

Jesus christ Craig, we lost only 2 games last season, why do you persist with these figures as if we don't know the situation, your throwing, as are others, this season down Rafa's throat, beating him with same stick again and again, well we know!!

It's this season only...everything you accuse him of has happened this season...motivating players has never been a problem before, neither has defenders using common ****in sense....it's seems it's all just about this season for you....crazy.

[red g]

Ha ha.

There's 'not perfect'. And then there's 15 defeats in one season, and counting.

Nobody's asking for perfect. I think most of us are just asking for 'fairly decent, or sometimes good'. And we're also asking for a table of 'number of defeats in all competitions' not to look anything like this:

Aston Villa 6.
Manchester City 6.
Chelsea 7.
Spurs 8.
Manchester United 8.
Arsenal 8.
Birmingham 11.
Stoke 11.
Fulham 13.
Everton have 14.
Blackburn 14.
Sunderland 14.
West Ham 15.
Liverpool 15.

Embarrassing.

so only 4 teams have lost more than us this season??

frightening