The New Manager Thread

[Will]

Seem to be missing the point here. Sacking Rafa wont do much good imo. Still have those two thick ****s in charge of the club, who would manage under them circumstances? Certainly not Mourinho. We can change manager again and again and it wont change much. The "new" manager should we get one will still have to work with one hand tied behined his back. Performances have been **** this season, some extreamly poor but, i dont put all the blaim on Benitez. These are profesionall footballers and cant even pass the ****ing ball to the nearest red shirt, i know footballers are big ****ing babies but **** me do they need to be shown who to pass the ball to? becouse some of our passing this season has been ****ing woefull. NOTHING will change untill the owners are gone, its they who hold us back not Rafa. Lets not forget he won us the European Cup with our ****test team in history

[Craig_H]

Jesus christ Craig, we lost only 2 games last season, why do you persist with these figures as if we don't know the situation, your throwing, as are others, this season down Rafa's throat, beating him with same stick again and again, well we know!!

It's this season only...everthing you accuse him of has happened this season...motivating players has never been a problem before, neither has defenders using common ****in sense....it's seems it's all just about this season for you....crazy.

The business we're in and the level we target being at doesnt allow even one shockingly bad season. Not even just one. Last season means nothing now.

By the time you dust yourself off from the 'just one season' of disgrace, you find yourselves too far behind to bridge the gap and be where you need to be.

If we'd got relegated this season, it'd still only be 'one season', but that wouldnt make it alright.

It's not just about this season for me, on the contrary.

If you'd look at the bigger picture instead of employing tunnel vision, you'd see the repercussions of this 'just one' disasterous season. The impact will be felt for many seasons to come.

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Jesus christ Craig, we lost only 2 games last season, why do you persist with these figures as if we don't know the situation, your throwing, as are others, this season down Rafa's throat, beating him with same stick again and again, well we know!!

It's this season only...everything you accuse him of has happened this season...motivating players has never been a problem before, neither has defenders using common ****in sense....it's seems it's all just about this season for you....crazy.

last season was the exception not the rule, we lost onlly 4 the season before that......but then those previous seasons we lost plenty too!!!!

[Craig_H]

so only 4 teams have lost more than us this season??

frightening

No, that's only 14 teams, i think. There's another 6 PL teams who have lost more games in all comps, than us.

We've lost less than Stoke, Wolves, Hull, Portsmouth, Bolton and Burnley.

Yippee!

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The business we're in and the level we target being at doesnt allow even one shockingly bad season. Not even just one. Last season means nothing now.

By the time you dust yourself off from the 'just one season' of disgrace, you find yourselves too far behind to bridge the gap and be where you need to be.

If we'd got relegated this season, it'd still only be 'one season', but that wouldnt make it alright.

It's not just about this season for me, on the contrary.

If you'd look at the bigger picture instead of employing tunnel vision, you'd see the repercussions of this 'just one' disasterous season. The impact will be felt for many seasons to come.

specially if city get 4th.......this has all the hallmarks of that chelsea win that meant the russan bought them!!

City get 4th will be a disaster, an absolute disaster

[Will]

The business we're in and the level we target being at doesnt allow even one shockingly bad season. Not even just one. Last season means nothing now.

By the time you dust yourself off from the 'just one season' of disgrace, you find yourselves too far behind to bridge the gap and be where you need to be.

If we'd got relegated this season, it'd still only be 'one season', but that wouldnt make it alright.

It's not just about this season for me, on the contrary.

If you'd look at the bigger picture instead of employing tunnel vision, you'd see the repercussions of this 'just one' disasterous season. The impact will be felt for many seasons to come.

Would it be felt for many seasons to come if we had owners who delivered on there promises and had cash to back it up?

[Craig_H]

Seem to be missing the point here. Sacking Rafa wont do much good imo. Still have those two thick ****s in charge of the club, who would manage under them circumstances? Certainly not Mourinho. We can change manager again and again and it wont change much. The "new" manager should we get one will still have to work with one hand tied behined his back. Performances have been **** this season, some extreamly poor but, i dont put all the blaim on Benitez. These are profesionall footballers and cant even pass the ****ing ball to the nearest red shirt, i know footballers are big ****ing babies but **** me do they need to be shown who to pass the ball to? becouse some of our passing this season has been ****ing woefull. NOTHING will change untill the owners are gone, its they who hold us back not Rafa. Lets not forget he won us the European Cup with our ****test team in history

I want new owners AND a new manager.

Rafa's footballing philosophies (cautious, slow tempo, pedestrian football, strange selections, strange substitutions, inflexible - only makes subs after 60-65 mins and never at HT etc etc) wont ever succeed in the PL, in my opinion. Last season was great, but it was the exception, not the rule.

I like the guy and have no problem with him as a person, i hope he goes on to have many many successes, but i just cant see his management methodology working to the level we need it to, in the PL. That's all there is to it and there's little point in someone telling me "you're wrong because this, this and this". I'm not saying i am right and you're wrong. I'm just saying what i think. I know people disagree, and that's cool. I think how i think and they think how they think. I dont want to do what people get ****ed off with, and keep going round in circles, and repeating the above, because people keep telling me they disagree, or ask me to clarify things.

Disagree by all means. That's what makes us all different.

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No, that's only 14 teams, i think. There's another 6 PL teams who have lost more games in all comps, than us.

We've lost less than Stoke, Wolves, Hull, Portsmouth, Bolton and Burnley.

Yippee!

Phew...........

so we are top of the bottom third of premiership team losses table

[Craig_H]

Would it be felt for many seasons to come if we had owners who delivered on there promises and had cash to back it up?

Who knows?

Problem is, Rafa never looked like taking us to PL glory (or even challenging for it) before the yanks came in, either.

I've said in my previous posts what aspects of his management that i dont think are right for success in the PL, and whoever the owners are, those management traits are still his.

The owners dont design the way he likes his teams to play.

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Who knows?

Problem is, Rafa never looked like taking us to PL glory (or even challenging for it) before the yanks came in, either.

I've said in my previous posts what aspects of his management that i dont think are right for success in the PL, and whoever the owners are, those management traits are still his.

The owners dont design the way he likes his teams to play.

I will miss Rafa the man, not his methodologies.....

[einar]

The business we're in and the level we target being at doesnt allow even one shockingly bad season. Not even just one. Last season means nothing now.

By the time you dust yourself off from the 'just one season' of disgrace, you find yourselves too far behind to bridge the gap and be where you need to be.

If we'd got relegated this season, it'd still only be 'one season', but that wouldnt make it alright.

It's not just about this season for me, on the contrary.

If you'd look at the bigger picture instead of employing tunnel vision, you'd see the repercussions of this 'just one' disasterous season. The impact will be felt for many seasons to come.

I thought it was clear to all that we are not going to bridge any gap on the pitch. It is in terms of money and a stadium that we need to "brigde the gap"

If we got new investment in the summer and a new stadium, we would have bridged the gap IMO.

If we have one very bad season and then go into the next one with more determinaton and a slightly better group of players then one very bad season is not that bad.

[einar]

I want new owners AND a new manager.

Rafa's footballing philosophies (cautious, slow tempo, pedestrian football, strange selections, strange substitutions, inflexible - only makes subs after 60-65 mins and never at HT etc etc) wont ever succeed in the PL, in my opinion. Last season was great, but it was the exception, not the rule.

I like the guy and have no problem with him as a person, i hope he goes on to have many many successes, but i just cant see his management methodology working to the level we need it to, in the PL. That's all there is to it and there's little point in someone telling me "you're wrong because this, this and this". I'm not saying i am right and you're wrong. I'm just saying what i think. I know people disagree, and that's cool. I think how i think and they think how they think. I dont want to do what people get ****ed off with, and keep going round in circles, and repeating the above, because people keep telling me they disagree, or ask me to clarify things.

Disagree by all means. That's what makes us all different.

There is IMO one flaw in your reasoning. You don´t seem to take into account that Rafa needed to build a new team when he took over, and could not therefor IMO be expected to challenge for the PL from the get go. You say that we have only in one season in 6 challenged for the PL, and that is true, but this one season (last season) shows me that what he was doing in the first 4 was mostly right.

[Craig_H]

I thought it was clear to all that we are not going to bridge any gap on the pitch. It is in terms of money and a stadium that we need to "brigde the gap"

If we got new investment in the summer and a new stadium, we would have bridged the gap IMO.

If we have one very bad season and then go into the next one with more determinaton and a slightly better group of players then one very bad season is not that bad.

I think the team which finished 2nd last year on 86 points (with a couple of changes) is plenty good enough to get into the top 4. By bridge the gap, i meant between us and 4th place, which i unfortunately expect to be more sizeable by the end of the season. If you think that team isnt good enough to finish 4th, then that's your call. I think it is.

As for the idea of if we "go into the next one with more determinaton and a slightly better group of players then one very bad season is not that bad" then i think you're missing my point.

If we **** up top four this season, City will most likely get it. If that happens, they will then have all they need to take us to the cleaners. They'll have the money AND CL football to attract quality players, which we cannot.

So if and when that happens, and City sign a few top players this summer, players who probably wouldnt have gone there before, because of no CL football, then it'll take us far more than determination and just a SLIGHTLY better group of players, to get back into the Champions League. A lot more.

That is why, despite this season being only one season, it is absolutely crucial and fundamental that we finiish in the top four. If we dont, the gap will become huge and this 'one' bad season will merely multiply in numerous bad seasons, and the upshot is, we will no longer be a top club. We will basically turn into Everton, a club with history and past glory, but a club that is forced to see 'top 6' as the best they can hope for.

Mediocrity, in other words.

[Craig_H]

There is IMO one flaw in your reasoning. You don´t seem to take into account that Rafa needed to build a new team when he took over, and could not therefor IMO be expected to challenge for the PL from the get go. You say that we have only in one season in 6 challenged for the PL, and that is true, but this one season (last season) shows me that what he was doing in the first 4 was mostly right.

So what does this season show then?

One great season, one shocking season and the rest all somewhere in the middle.

There isnt the overwhelming amount of evidence to suggest that Rafa can get us where we want to be, as you imply. Add to that the utterly painful-to-watch football, and for me, i think it's time for a change.

I acknowledge that you have your view, and i know i wont change your mind, which is fine. Likewise, other than a massive change in the most important currency known to football management (results), there's not really anything that's going to change mine either. The upshot of everything in football is results and ours are shambolic. That is primarily what i base my opinion on.

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its also worth noting that the fantastic season we had lsat year was on the back of a fantastic revival after being nearly written off as title challengers from what i recall.

All games became must win....and we did. Which is strange as we are in the same position albiet differenct circumstances now and all our must win games we are losing :P(