The New Manager Thread

[banditos]

Excellent post mate. Agree with pretty much everything you have said. IMO wanting to replace Rafa is a short term knee-jerk reaction from impatient fans. It would do us more harm than good in the short term and probably the long term too. Give him another season at least.

[banditos]

I'm starting to believe Rafa would be mad to stay even one more season. There's no reason to think Broughton will succeed where Purslow has failed so, unless something is really happening behind the scenes right now that will quickly transform the situation at the club, then Rafa will go somewhere he can succeed, Mourinho won't come within a million miles of taking the job, we'll get someone ****e in, the two thieves will still be siphoning off the money and wrecking the club and we will continue on the long road down from the top with no realistic prospect of returning.

Also, Labour is doomed, the Tories will get in with a working majority and we're all going to die.

You forgot to mention the environment Neil. The planet's ****ed as well.

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Being a constant and perpetual lurker I thought it appropriate to comment on all of this speculation following on from Inter's victory over 2 legs against Barca.

Had we beaten Barca 3-1 at Anfield then gone to Barca and cheated our way to a two leg victory I would be numb, probably content with reaching another CL final but numb at the way we would have gotten there.

The people on here who seem to want Rafa out and Maureen in I guess want to win at any cost.

I had a similar discussion with Craig H whom I met at the Fulham game recently as he was kind enough to get me 2 tickets in the KOP (forever grateful thanks again).

He asked me if I was pro Rafa to which I replied yes out of loyalty and the answer wasn't really thought through properly just a knee jerk reaction, he's on our side and I guess the tribal self protection kicked in.

The reality, which has been played out in these forums is that Rafa has been working under severe restrictions and scrutiny because of the owners, those 2 scum sucking leveraged buy out opportunists who will eventually leave with a large profit for recognising that the LFC brand /sport franchise was woefully undervalued and miss managed commercially that any professional management team could come in and instigate a change management program to recommercialise the club's revenues which they have done.

Begs the question why Moores and Parry didn't just do that themselves but that's another thread.

So now we look at the climax of the season and take stock.

A new manager hmmmm ? Any one coming in after Rafa will dismantle everything he has done in the background (a new 5 year plan) no thank you, We had Houllier's 5 year plan which took us away from the Souness debacle, we have had 5 years of Rafa now into the 6th or 7th i.e another 5 year plan which is almost there...would've been sooner had he been sufficiently backed.

OOOH you say he has spent x squillion quid on duffs.... well most of them were his 3rd choices because Parry was a cock and never managed to secure the 1st choices.

When Rafa did get 'control' last year there were no funds..real funds ..so he had to sell to buy...er monies dissapeared..so he had to barter like a mid table club...in his first year of total control.... so with that it's no surprise that he made some errors...

Back to who should be manager next season, well a lot of you...(Craig H etc ..sorry Craig) have been on the Maureen bandwagon well be careful what you wish for.

There is no way that he would take the job and retain the back room staff or methodologies that Rafa has put in place, all of the Rafa team would go and leave us in a void.. anothe 5 year rebuild with no guaranties of success.

A poor season this term sure... but is removing Rafa at this point the best solution.?

We will have hopefully new owners that can maintain the commercial success the current ****bags have put in place (any decent management consultancy could've done that) but would give Rafa in his second season of total control a decent budget to aim for his 3 or 4 lampshades at long last instead of 'doing a Redknapp' and dealing with the 3rd choices with barter.

Keeping Rafa would mean that the stability in the back office would continue..(we have been buying a lot of new kids for the youth development).

Why would we risk all of that on the back of an umlucky poor season?

Especially to bring in Maureen who clearly a winner yes I admit a winner who unfortunately wins at the expense of decency..

Do you want to follow an Inter/Chavski/Porto type team that fall like snipers and deliberately get opponents sent off, with him blabbering on to the hyena press about volcanos etc

Or do you want to see one touch pass and move football, technically superior to the rest of the prem, that we have only seen in glimpses because of poor form.

Do you not remember Valencia tearing us a new orriface?

C'mon most of us have jobs that get frustrating because of things that have happened in the senior management that cause us to be demotivated and in a general fug.

The ****e that Rafa has had to put up with behind the scenes is case in point..

I forgive him this poor season, I hope for the Europa cup victory, I want to beat Chelski, I want 4th place this term, I don't want Manc scum to win anything ever... but we are where we are.

New owners would not want a complete change they would want to shore up and capitalise on their investment and not break it all down for a new five year plan.

Ok Craig H you are going to talk about Rafa's stubborn streak at not making changes other than at 60 mins etc.. Reality is LFC is not a reality show, we don't know who is fit, carrying knocks, having a bad hair day at Melwood.. we just dont know..(made me think of the informer on craptalk..lol)

Long rant sorry...

Rafa for one more season with new owners and a decent budget..then we'll see..

Good post.

I can't see Mourinho coming here because of the lack of funds that will be made available to him, his last two jobs Chelsea and Inter he has been able to spend (net) more money than any team in the league he's been competing in. Perhaps this is coincidence and not a prerequisite for him going to a team, but regardless you have to put his work into context.

Chelsea were at about our level when he took over, to change them into Premiership champions he spent a huge amount of money. Inter were already champions so their squad didn't need as much money spent on it, but he still spent a significant amount. His net spend at Inter is approximately twice what Rafa has averaged per season in his time here.

The way he operates is by spending big on players who have made it, big names mid to late 20s early 30s type age. He typically spends 2-3 years at a club before leaving where he is successful and then leaves, his legacy (achieved with a high spend) is an old team that may have a few years left in it before it needs a complete overhaul. The chelsea team is evidence of this something like 8 of their first 11 are over 30. Mourinho is not a club builder, as he never considers the future, he works on short time scale which is why the funding is so improtant to him.

The problem is as things stand whoever our manager is Rafa, Mourinho or whoever, we need more funds to be made available, Rafa is doing the best he can to build for the future, the youngsters we are signing are hopefully a long term solution to the problem. But we need investment in the short term as well if we are to be competitive.

[cream]

Unless you read the whole interview when the context of his long term planning is clearly at odds with that conclusion.

The next game response is the standard in Rafa's interviews, he always does it.

[Roboklopp]

Simply, he doesn't know as he cannot be sure under potential new ownership.

[Frenchie]

Excellent post mate. Agree with pretty much everything you have said. IMO wanting to replace Rafa is a short term knee-jerk reaction from impatient fans. It would do us more harm than good in the short term and probably the long term too. Give him another season at least.

Good post.

Cheers Banditos

I can't see Mourinho coming here because of the lack of funds that will be made available to him, his last two jobs Chelsea and Inter he has been able to spend (net) more money than any team in the league he's been competing in. Perhaps this is coincidence and not a prerequisite for him going to a team, but regardless you have to put his work into context.

Could be argued new owners would fund this

Chelsea were at about our level when he took over, to change them into Premiership champions he spent a huge amount of money. Inter were already champions so their squad didn't need as much money spent on it, but he still spent a significant amount. His net spend at Inter is approximately twice what Rafa has averaged per season in his time here.

totally backs up the lack of support Rafa has had in real terms

The way he operates is by spending big on players who have made it, big names mid to late 20s early 30s type age. He typically spends 2-3 years at a club before leaving where he is successful and then leaves, his legacy (achieved with a high spend) is an old team that may have a few years left in it before it needs a complete overhaul. The chelsea team is evidence of this something like 8 of their first 11 are over 30. Mourinho is not a club builder, as he never considers the future, he works on short time scale which is why the funding is so improtant to him.

and look at the mentality of the players he does get..mostly cheats

The problem is as things stand whoever our manager is Rafa, Mourinho or whoever, we need more funds to be made available, Rafa is doing the best he can to build for the future, the youngsters we are signing are hopefully a long term solution to the problem. But we need investment in the short term as well if we are to be competitive.

[banditos]

Would be interesting to see Lucio up against Drogba. Two massive guys running into each other and then rolling on the ground like they've been shot. ****ing cheating cunts.

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Would be interesting to see Lucio up against Drogba. Two massive guys running into each other and then rolling on the ground like they've been shot. ****ing cheating cunts.

[Exiled_red]

Could be argued new owners would fund this

It could be, but that's still an unknown, I think that if such funding were to be made available Rafa should be given the opportunity to work with it. Undoubted some people will disagree with this. But I think that Rafa is a manager with long term goals attempting to build the club up for the future as well as the present, whereas Mourinho would buy short term success, massage his ego and move on in a couple of years, with the team probably needing another overhaul to remain competitive.

[Frenchie]

It could be, but that's still an unknown, I think that if such funding were to be made available Rafa should be given the opportunity to work with it. Undoubted some people will disagree with this. But I think that Rafa is a manager with long term goals attempting to build the club up for the future as well as the present, whereas Mourinho would buy short term success, massage his ego and move on in a couple of years, with the team probably needing another overhaul to remain competitive.

another Rafa one more year supporter...

[Craig_H]

I suspect, and it is only my opinion, that if we were in the same situation this time next year, plenty would be saying the same thing again - eg, 'give rafa one more year'.

[red g]

It could be, but that's still an unknown, I think that if such funding were to be made available Rafa should be given the opportunity to work with it. Undoubted some people will disagree with this. But I think that Rafa is a manager with long term goals attempting to build the club up for the future as well as the present, whereas Mourinho would buy short term success, massage his ego and move on in a couple of years, with the team probably needing another overhaul to remain competitive.

i am so sat on the fence my arse has splinters. I just cant get out of my head his defensive mentality ( Rafa's not maureens) I just want us to go to the poorer teams in the premiership and go and take our game to them not the other way round.

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I suspect, and it is only my opinion, that if we were in the same situation this time next year, plenty would be saying the same thing again - eg, 'give rafa one more year'.

of course, of that there is no doubt, there would be new excuses....

'we only spent 100million and city spent 200million'

[Frenchie]

I suspect, and it is only my opinion, that if we were in the same situation this time next year, plenty would be saying the same thing again - eg, 'give rafa one more year'.

Hiya how's things?

I don't think so, not this time, I do believe though that most people are fair minded and would rather give him a proper shot of total control with a decent budget then he makes his own bed.

To cut it short now would be reckless in terms of any long term success.. Look at the Chinese didn't they say they were still analysing the Industrial revolution....

[Craig_H]

Hiya how's things?

I don't think so, not this time, I do believe though that most people are fair minded and would rather give him a proper shot of total control with a decent budget then he makes his own bed.

To cut it short now would be reckless in terms of any long term success.. Look at the Chinese didn't they say they were still analysing the Industrial revolution....

Morning mate, things are good thanks. All well with you, i hope.

I may be wrong, i dunno. It's just a sneaking feeling. I honestly think senitment is a huge thing and maybe playing a bigger part for some people than they may realise. Just an inkling. As i said, it may not be correct, but it's just the instinctive feeling i get.