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    Originally posted by Vermilion View Post
    Obviously not Maureen then, wonder who it could be ? Ferguson ? Wenger ? Ahhh i know... very crafty....it's RAFA is'nt it.
    One of the things I have found interesting, as a foreigner who loves Liverpool, is the lack of swagger in European football. Very few people have it and when they do, they are despised for it, sometimes even by their own supporters. The idea of the club having an identity is just different in England-- it is not based on tactics or attitude, but on a way of life. Managers come and managers go, players come and players go, but no one is bigger than the history of the club.

    On the one hand, it is one of the things I love about Liverpool. On the other hand, I wish the club's identity could be brought into the modern era of swagger and confidence, allowing us a little bit of a nasty streak so that when you walk on the pitch as our opponent, you know that you're going to be up against it. We have some players who have it-- I think Mascherano is the epitome of this attitude for the club, and Carra is just behind him-- but Rafa does not have it. For all of his tactical acumen, he comes across as more as a cold and detached efficiency expert than he does as a leader of men. He has a system that he believes will maximize results, but he doesn't seem to take into account the needs and motivations of men on the pitch.

    For all of the history of the club, Bob Paisley and Bill Shankly are not here to lead us in the modern game of football. And when they were here, their passion for the club, their desire to do things "the Liverpool Way" meant going out with a fire in the belly and beating the **** out of everyone they faced-- all of it for the supporters. They did it with flair and confidence. To me, that is the Liverpool way of doing things. I was not able to watch those matches (I didn't discover my passion for the club until I could actually begin to watch and follow it, which was impossible, pre-1994 in the USA), but I am a student of history and I have looked back often to learn as much as I can.

    All of that is to say, we need to start thinking less like cold blooded accountants and more like cold blooded killers on the pitch. I want to see players get in the face of other players, I want to see them taking pride in destroying other sides. In short, I want the fire of Wayne Rooney, of Jose Mourinho, of Leo Messi, of Cristiano Ronaldo-- If I can't have their skill and quality, I want that work rate and determination and tactics that allow for it.

    For me this begins with Steven Gerrard and ends with Rafa. Most important to me, I want our Captain to get in the faces of his teammates and lead the squad on the pitch. Where is the Gerrard that used to run the length of the pitch to make a tackle? Where is the man who used to make runs into the box at will, scoring blazing goals? He hasn't lost that ability-- he is under motivated. For me, he has gone soft-- maybe tired of carrying the responsibility of the team? I don't know what is in his mind, but something is not there. He-- and the entire team-- need a fire lit under them.

    I am not sure this will happen under Rafa, primarily because, while his tactics generally ensure that the team are in every match, he has built the team around a counter attacking philosophy. Nine times out of ten, we face clubs who want to bunker themselves, setting up dour matches where we have 75% of possession and no idea what to do as we **** around in the opponent's final third.

    While it works at the highest level of European football (see Inter yesterday, who spent large portions of the match in a 8-1-1 formation), a conservative approach with a Cup on the line is one thing, a league campaign where you are the favorite almost every week is completely another thing. A dominant team does not walk on the pitch and soak up pressure hoping Torres will nick a goal-- they attack.

    So, all of this is to say that while I admire Rafa's thinking on one level-- every match is winnable under his system-- he does not seem to have the belief in the players to let them go and be dominant in attack. We are short players-- we have no width, which is a huge problem, allowing teams to let Dirk Kuyt and Benayoun, who both drift in constantly, to try and be the force that wins matches-- but you would think we would accommodate that by making changes. This season's record was inexcusable and it is because of who we've bought, where they are playing, how they are being deployed tactically and the conservative approach we take to the game.

    But most of all, Rafa needs to lead the men in his club and lead by example. If I were Rafa, my first order of business would be to sit down with Steven Gerrard and light a fire inside of him. I would stop popping a breath mint every time we scored and start showing some emotion. But more than anything, I would be doing everything in my power to find a way to integrate emotion, creativity and confidence in my players, one by one, with a single unifying message of belief in the club, the responsibility we have to our history, and the need to restore our glory. If that isn't the manager's issue I don't know who else to whom I can assign responsibility. If Rafa can't do it, we need someone who can. End of.
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      Originally posted by spanky View Post
      Is it because he's always been a cautious manager of do you think the circumstances at liverpool have made him that way?
      What circumstances?

      We have a very good side and it's better than the vast majority of the teams we play against.

      Why would those circumstances make him cautious?

      If he was managing Hull and taking them to arsenal, chelsea, united etc, then fair enough.

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        What i mean is has he become more cautious because he's been under pressure so a "must not lose" mentality has set in with him or is that were he feels more comfortable. The reason i ask is that the premier league is probably the only one were if you sit back you get punished no matter who you play whereas in say the italian league, counter attacking seems to be the norm even from the top sides.

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          Well i think it's in his management genes, personally.

          He won the title in spain with a far lower points tally, so in that environment, his policy worked. In the english top flight, it doesnt.

          The pressure he is under, is to challenge for the title, and you dont do that by drawing lots of games as opposed to winning them. So i dont think that's what's done it.

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            Wasn't Sammy Lee brought in to do the rabble-rousing arm-round-the-shoulder stuff?

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              Originally posted by vonk View Post
              Based on what? He's been winning trophies in virtually every season. There is more evidence that he will be a success surely. I understand people not liking him, but I think there is little doubt about how good he is as a coach.
              based on my opinion Listen i am a mourinho fan and think i would love him here, for the success he could bring not the football we would watch.

              I just think that Barca are an awesome team and second is nowhere for RM, I also am not sure that if RM arent sitting pretty at the top of the league that the fans wil put up with his brand of football or some antics he pulls.

              Mourinho is all about him, look at the clubs Porto and Inter he brought success but they are big clubs but not massive, chelsea well they were only established when Roman bought them. Real Madrid have and always will be the biggest club in world football even mourinho is not bigger than that.

              Its only a hunch but you are right his track record says he will be huge success i am just not so sure
              Last edited by red g; 23-05-10, 07:06 PM.
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              Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

              Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                van gaal is a good manager but in some ways like rafa he is not an arm round the shoulder type.

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                  i am not sure rafas tactics need to change. its all about the application. when applied properly we play like we did in the back end of 08/09.

                  the conceding of goals really shook us this season. all great teams get the defence right and build from there. so i think that the defensive problems took up too much time. i have also noticed that we need a settled back 4 when we dont we have always had a tendency to concede under rafa.

                  maureen is succesful as he has chosen his jobs carefully now he has been able to because he is a very good world class coach but i would argue he is in a group including fabio, maybe big phil. maybe rafa next season we will know. gus van gaal whiskey nose wenger pep and a few others that i dont know.

                  maureen is good at selling himself and can back it up but i would chose capello who is in my opinion a better coach and has far more class.

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                    Why would Mourinho go to the mancs though ? Where is the challenge ? Bit too easy for him, in my opinion.

                    If he wins the Champions League and League with Madrid I think he will want the biggest, most ridiculous uphill battle yet...and that would be restoring us to where we should be. Winning the league with us.

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                      Originally posted by Marsh View Post
                      i am not sure rafas tactics need to change. its all about the application. when applied properly we play like we did in the back end of 08/09.
                      Is correct. When he chose to apply this during our best league run we were unsurpassable. We had all our players fit (and Alonso) so nothing was required to break this. We should have won the league in April 2009.

                      But, Stoke, Fulham, West Ham, etc, all happened in the same year. He did not need to go on the defensive against those clubs but he CHOSE to. This is where the majority of us don't believe Rafa has what it takes.

                      ps. PeteBest, no offence taken. I may have confidence issues. I hope every year that my daughter and Rafa prove me wrong.
                      One tit for another.

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                        he applies similar tactics all the time. its just when it works and fully clicks its awsome.

                        i also refer you to my comment about our defense this season all good managers base the team on a solid defence.

                        and he wanted to sort that out during our initial weakness.

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                          Originally posted by anfieldanfield View Post
                          Why would Mourinho go to the mancs though ? Where is the challenge ? Bit too easy for him, in my opinion.
                          Are you kidding, his last 2 clubs have been Chelsea and Inter.
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                            Not really analysing this season gone as there were too many injuries. But the season before when manure could only win the league if Rafa handed it to them....well he handed it to them. 1 season in 6 he has a go at the league, is given it for free, and still hands it to the enemy. Not exactly awe inspiring.
                            One tit for another.

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                              Originally posted by BigChief View Post
                              Not really analysing this season gone as there were too many injuries. But the season before when manure could only win the league if Rafa handed it to them....well he handed it to them. 1 season in 6 he has a go at the league, is given it for free, and still hands it to the enemy. Not exactly awe inspiring.
                              That's incredibly harsh.

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                                Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                                Are you kidding, his last 2 clubs have been Chelsea and Inter.
                                Suppose. Just trying to convince myself he'll come here to be honest...

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