Torres out for a while...

[Reece]

Pacheco never played any higher than youth level for Barcelona. He was 16 when we signed him.

That's what I thought and can find no reference of him ever playing for the Barca first team.

[dom9]

Where have I said no one can criticise the manager? Me making a simple comment that I'd like to see a particular player start, suddenly becomes an opportunity for you to have a little one line dig at Rafa. I'm not even saying your point isn't valid for Jesus not everything has to become a pro/anti Rafa debate. That's my whole point - it's taken over this forum and it's boring as hell. This isn't particularly aimed at you by the way, (there are worse culprits on both sides of the Rafa fence) just my general frustration on the whole tone of the football forums at the moment.

[PTP]

How ****ing annoying - heard he is out for 6 weeks on radio this morning.....so due back right in time for the ****ing world cup, where he will play when not quite fully recovered, come back to us pre-season burnt out again, and we have another season where he is in and out.

Poor lad is just ran into the ground. Both club and country should do what's best for him and sign him off for 3 months or so - I'm pretty confident that a proper rest, recovery and not being rushed to play will sort out all these niggles and injuries and he would then come back stronger.

Then hopefully next season we have another striker capable of either partnering/covering for torres and we can use him properly instead of asking him to chase lost causes and get the **** kicked out of him for 90 mins.

[the rev leeroy brown]

How ****ing annoying - heard he is out for 6 weeks on radio this morning.....so due back right in time for the ****ing world cup, where he will play when not quite fully recovered, come back to us pre-season burnt out again, and we have another season where he is in and out.

Poor lad is just ran into the ground. Both club and country should do what's best for him and sign him off for 3 months or so - I'm pretty confident that a proper rest, recovery and not being rushed to play will sort out all these niggles and injuries and he would then come back stronger.

Then hopefully next season we have another striker capable of either partnering/covering for torres and we can use him properly instead of asking him to chase lost causes and get the **** kicked out of him for 90 mins.

only trouble is convicning torres he needs the rest. he is choking to play in this world cup as it is easily the best chance spain have had and possibly will have to win the world cup this summer. as much as i disagree with international football, torres will desperately want to be crowned a world cup winner and as such i can see him telling the medical staff he is fine and ready to play this summer even if it means he is missing for big chunks of next season again.

[Mattshark]

Also, did he ever actually play for the Barca first team? It's a genuine question as I don't know. He was what 16/17 when he joined us?

He never played a single first team game for Barcelona.

[PTP]

only trouble is convicning torres he needs the rest. he is choking to play in this world cup as it is easily the best chance spain have had and possibly will have to win the world cup this summer. as much as i disagree with international football, torres will desperately want to be crowned a world cup winner and as such i can see him telling the medical staff he is fine and ready to play this summer even if it means he is missing for big chunks of next season again.

Aye – totally agree - i can understand it, of course you would want to play in the world cup – maybe it’s just me being selfish - it’s just the timing of it. If he was fully recovered say in four weeks then fine, he should be ready for the world cup, or if he was out for 8 weeks, then great he missed the world cup... but the six weeks full right bang on the deadline for leaving the world cup, meaning he will be taken, and will be rushed back into playing. – We all know what happens, it doesn’t just happen to footballers or athletes, it happens to anyone – you get injured, doctor says you are out for say 4 weeks, and then usually you are still another week or two away from 100% after that.

[The Birdman]

The unfortunate side to it all is Torres doesn't need the rest now, how much of this season has he missed?? probably 3 months all in, 2 operations when physical activity is minimal in the immediate time after the ops, bits and pieces on rehab then back into light training before joining back in normal training.

What is without doubt though is his body cannot handle the lone striker role week in week out, especially how we play our football this season.

[Mattshark]

The unfortunate side to it all is Torres doesn't need the rest now, how much of this season has he missed?? probably 3 months all in, 2 operations when physical activity is minimal in the immediate time after the ops, bits and pieces on rehab then back into light training before joining back in normal training.

What is without doubt though is his body cannot handle the lone striker role week in week out, especially how we play our football this season.

I would still point to the tactics opposition teams use against him, constant fouling and kicking and it adds up.

[the rev leeroy brown]

I would still point to the tactics opposition teams use against him, constant fouling and kicking and it adds up.

same problem as arshavin had. was pretty darm good when he arrived but this year he has been kicked and fouled persistently and this season he has been non-existent through form and injuries.

with torres, it may help to play another man up top to take the heat off him more and "share" the kicking if you will.

[Reece]

Play Kyriagos up front with him as his protector

[PTP]

Play Kyriagos up front with him as his protector

- i say we play 4-3-3

With something like

--------------------reina----------------

johnson-----agger--------carra-----new left back

------gerrad------mascherano------aquilani

----------skrtel-------------Kyriakos
-----------------Torres-----------

[Fierce]

He never played a single first team game for Barcelona.

That's what I thought and can find no reference of him ever playing for the Barca first team.

pretty sure you have been watching a reseve / youth game. pacheco never played first team for barca.

He played for them in something, whether it was the league or some sort of cup competition. But theres no way I dreamt watching him.

Pacheco never played any higher than youth level for Barcelona. He was 16 when we signed him.

He did play for them in a few league games at least. I remember watching him on tv probably a handful of times. He was always so lively and zipping around all over the place in an advanced attacking midfield position. He doesnt need to be in the box to score, he can bringing the ball from either side and go for it. He's a brilliant little player but here he's just so constricted in his play style every time I watch him. Its certainly doing his skill level massive amounts of harm.

We got him at 16. Unless you're in Spain and have access to Barca's youth team training ground, you won't have ever seen him play aside from for us. But hey, lets not let facts get in the way.

We are definitely constricting the little genius' play. Goddamnit, why is it that we always ruin amazingly talented players? He'd be at least as good as Messi anywhere else

[Reece]

Maybe he's confusing him with Messi actually. Or Bojan. Or Dos Santos (the **** has happened to him by the way?)

[Shaggy]

Maybe he's confusing him with Messi actually. Or Bojan. Or Dos Santos (the **** has happened to him by the way?)

He's on loan at Darlington.

[Reece]

He's on loan at Darlington.

Really?!