And then there were two............ Kenny or Roy?

[Redshadow]

My main point Wasn't about the violence Neil Young - It was the downgrading of the club's expectations and just Why they Will hire Hodgson - which will inevitably lead to ''Player X, Y and so forth Need to get out of Liverpool to fulfil their potential'' and with Hodgson there - just Who can argue? It's another Human Shield to buy them time, legitimise downgrading our expectations On the pitch to fulfil THEIR financial targets Off it and basically divide our support about Kenny and Roy when the sole targets of our ire should be Them. As I said before Don't accept it or stand for it, Any of it. The would be hiring of a 'safe' pair of hands like Roy in place of a REAL manager like Kenny or Rafa', the would be selling of players to downsize Their debt (and mark my words that WILL be next) and last but certainly not least THEM continuing their presence through all this as we're to busy on the other issues to fight them - Don't stand for Any of it and NEVER lose sight of who the REAL enemies are here.

We are Liverpool and deserve Far better than this - Just who the hell are These Yank ****ers to tell us we DON'T? That we should just shut up, be quiet little robots and accept our lot happily? Remember ''the beginning of a decline is When mediocrity is accepted as the norm'' Well DON'T accept it here just for Them!! NEVER accept it - we are LIVERPOOL FC and we mean more, far, FAR more than just paying off the debts of some greedy, bankrupt f*ckers like THEM!! It's about time our fans delivered that message to - in severe enough numbers to Finally oust them..................

[Neil Young]

It's OK, I don't accept it. I've been pretty consistent about the idea of asset strippers owning the club all along.

[CJ]

It's OK, I don't accept it. I've been pretty consistent about the idea of asset strippers owning the club all along.

your internet history must be beastialatists dream

[DannyMan2006]

One more point to back Kenny.

Rumours abound that the players were giving up on Rafa and were not performing for him as well as they could have. I could not imagine players not busting a gut for Kenny. It's bad enough they tossed it off under rafa, but to do that under an LFC legend, there'd be hell to pay.

[Icon]

So far a close run thing...

[squaddie]

After some careful thought and an in depth talk with me brother..... Ive changed me mind.

[Roboklopp]

One more point to back Kenny.

Rumours abound that the players were giving up on Rafa and were not performing for him as well as they could have. I could not imagine players not busting a gut for Kenny. It's bad enough they tossed it off under rafa, but to do that under an LFC legend, there'd be hell to pay.

Those rumours were discredited. Anyway, if that was the case, it was the players that needed the chop, not Rafa. They play for LFC ultimately and should never be "giving up." They get paid a fortune to have an ace job and the fans pay their wages.

[squaddie]

Those rumours were discredited. Anyway, if that was the case, it was the players that needed the chop, not Rafa. They play for LFC ultimately and should never be "giving up." They get paid a fortune to have an ace job and the fans pay their wages.

In a perfect world your right.... But it doesn't actually work that way does it?

[Lecter]

OFF THE FENCE: Liverpool FC hierarchy fear how powerful Kenny Dalglish would become

Jun 11 2010 by Ben Thornley, Daily Post
Kenny Dalglish

Kenny Dalglish

KENNY DALGLISH is the only candidate on Liverpool FC’s managerial short list that could persuade Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres to stay.

It’s one of the many pressing reasons why the Anfield legend should be installed as boss – but, sadly, also why he won’t be.

Not when the decision is being made by a banker (Christian Purslow) and a Chelsea fan (Martin Broughton) on behalf of American owners that have piled an unsustainable level of debt onto Liverpool.

Debt reduction not trophy gathering has long been the priority at Anfield.

And that is reflected in the emergence of Roy Hodgson as the board’s number one choice to replace Rafa Benitez.

They want a man who knows that under normal circumstances he wouldn’t get the chance to sit in one of the game’s most prized hotseats.

Someone to steady the ship for a season or two while the club is sold, who won’t quibble when his two outstanding players are sold for a combined fee of over £100m – even though he’s unlikely to receive even half of that to reinvest.

Of course, the rest won’t go on reducing debt, we’ll be assured. Just like the fees for Xabi Alonso and Robbie Keane.

Hodgson – whose only title triumphs arrived in Scandinavia – is certainly the man for that job.

The Londoner is a fine coach who has excelled at Craven Cottage. But Liverpool will just be a chance to add another big name on his CV to go alongside Inter Milan, where he performed a similar role to the one he will be asked to undertake at Anfield.

His appointment, though, will be viewed by most as a significant reduction in ambition at Liverpool.

Not least by the Reds’ star players who will flee through the Anfield exit doors.

But it’s not in the interests of the owners to keep Gerrard and Torres – despite their presence in the Reds’ squad making the club more attractive to buyers.

Liverpool lost a club-record £50m last year as they went £351m into the red.

That was with Champions League revenue and Benitez trading at a profit last summer. As well as being an awful competition, the Europa League also offers little financial reward.

With Tom Hicks’ outrageous £800m valuation stalling the sale of Liverpool it’s unlikely the club will change hands any time soon, meaning the blundering Americans will have to find a solution to their rapidly growing debt.

Now that Benitez is out of the way, there’s no-one to stop them asset stripping – by the time they’ve left, they will probably have ripped out and sold on Anfield’s lead piping, lighting and heating system.

No-one that is except Dalglish – the only living man to have won top-flight English titles at two different clubs – and the Liverpool board probably fear how powerful he would become if made manager for a second time.

King Kenny is the only man in the Anfield hierarchy who has the club’s best interests at heart. If he feels he is the best man to take charge, who are the board to disagree?

Naming Liverpool’s greatest ever player as Benitez’s successor would give the club the lift it needs after a wretched season. He’s the overwhelming popular choice, with a poll on the excellent Reds website, the www.theLiverpoolway.co.uk, showing 93% of supporters preferring him to Hodgson.

More importantly, though, it would reassure fans and players that they mean business and are not happy just to drift further into mid-table.

Perhaps the game has moved on since Dalglish’s last managerial role at Newcastle, as some doubters have claimed.

But it is still a sport played by two teams of 11 men – despite some coaches, not least Benitez, making it unnecessarily complicated.

Forget Pro-Zone stats, blood tests and zonal marking, what really matters is the ability to read the game – as Harry Redknapp proved at Spurs this season.

And no amount of time out of the sport will dull a football brain as brilliant as Dalglish’s.

l RAFAEL BENITEZ was guilty of some howlers in the transfer market as Liverpool manager, but his record was nowhere near as bad as some critics have claimed.

Almost 90% of players he purchased increased in value. Momo Sissoko, Craig Bellamy, Peter Crouch were all sold for a tidy profit, while Xabi Alonso fetched three times the fee paid for him.

Pepe Reina, Javier Mascherano and Fernando Torres were bought for a combined sum of around £45m. It is not inconceivable that trio would fetch £130m in today’s market.

Liverpool have previously rejected bids of £14m for Dirk Kuyt (who cost £9m), while even flop Ryan Babel (£11m) was generating offers of over £12m in January.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/liverpool-fc/2010/06/11/off-the-fence-liverpool-fc-hierarchy-fear-how-powerful-kenny-dalglish-would-become-55578-26631191/

[red n white]

I think the article points out quite clearly the message given by the choice of manager:

Roy Hodgson: The situation will be very difficult for a while and we will seriously downgrade the club's potential in order not to invest too much into its future.

Kenny Dalglish: The situation is very difficult, but we are trying to redevelop the club's potential as quickly as possible so we don't lose the investments already done.

From an economic point of view the owner's have to face the choice either to accept the value of the club sinking, in which case their losses will drop because they will get nothing near their asking price or they try to keep the club's value high in order to get as close as possible to it.

Pursley and Broughton will have been given according instructions by the two clowns.

[Roboklopp]

Of course, Kenny could also be used as a very good human shield if the board play it that way. We must still intensify the pressure on them, Dalglish appointment or no.

[wiw]

The fact that that article is from the Post is a bit worrying, no?

[Shaggy]

Complete shambles. Part of me feels like turning my back on the club completely while Hicks, Gillett, Purslow and Broughton are running the show.

[Lecter]

Of course, Kenny could also be used as a very good human shield if the board play it that way. We must still intensify the pressure on them, Dalglish appointment or no.

Hodgson is the most convenient and easy "human shield"

If the Hodgson scenario (as outlined in the Daily Post) happens and it goes wrong the owners will just use him as a human shield

Put Dalglish into the job and irrespective of whether they assett strip or not if it goes wrong I dont see Kenny being blamed anywhere near as much as the owners. Kenny's status alone gives him a huge amount of goodwill and if his appointment failed I can only see the finger of blame being pointed at the owners

[Exiled_red]

Hodgson is the most convenient and easy "human shield"

If the Hodgson scenario (as outlined in the Daily Post) happens and it goes wrong the owners will just use him as a human shield

Put Dalglish into the job and irrespective of whether they assett strip or not if it goes wrong I dont see Kenny being blamed anywhere near as much as the owners. Kenny's status alone gives him a huge amount of goodwill and if his appointment failed I can only see the finger of blame being pointed at the owners

True, and that's why we (the fans) need it to be Kenny, and equally that's why it won't be because the owners know this.

What a mess