And then there were two............ Kenny or Roy?

[Redspin]

I dont recall Keegan managing two different clubs to league titles.

Yes, Dalglish is not ideal and the time out of the game would be a worry but him and Keegan are miles apart, its nothing like that.

Dalglish inherited a hugely strong Liverpool team and at Blackburn he had Jack Walker's massive fortune to buy whoever he wanted, so it's not as if he took two different struggling teams from obscurity to the title.

His legacy at Liverpool was to neglect the development of the first-team squad so that the average age of the first team when he left was over 30.

[Chris]

Dalglish inherited a hugely strong Liverpool team and at Blackburn he had Jack Walker's massive fortune to buy whoever he wanted, so it's not as if he took two different struggling teams from obscurity to the title.

His legacy at Liverpool was to neglect the development of the first-team squad so that the average age of the first team when he left was over 30.

Whatever way you spin it, he's absolutely lightyears ahead of Keegan as a manager so the situations arent really the same at all. Man City wont win the league next season despite no doubt spending 4 times as much as anyone else this summer and last summer.

[Redspin]

I think part of the problem is that England think they are a lot better than they actually are.

I think that's totally wrong. It's the media in England that, prior to the tournament, were bigging up England was beyond what they merited. I suspect that England players know exactly where they stand in the scheme of things. Certainly every intelligent, rational football fan I know had no illusions about England and only gave them an outside chance of getting past the quarter-finals at best.

Every time I picked up a newspaper I read another daft article comparing Rooney with Messi - Venables actually said that Rooney was the best player in the world. This, a player who until last season struggled to get a dozen league goals a season, who hadn't scored any goals since March, who recently went three years without scoring in a competitive international and who hadn't scored in a major tournament for 6 years.

This unrealistic expectation of players like him and others allied with a supposedly astute tactician like Capello playing the utterly outdated 4-4-2, with the best midfielder - Gerrard - wasted on the left against Algeria, a useless goal-shy striker in Heskey in support of a goal-shy (at international level) Rooney made it abundantly clear to any England fan with half a brain that England were not very good and unlikely to make significant progress and would certainly not win the thing.

Trust me, England know that they aren't very good.

[RichC]

I think that's totally wrong. It's the media in England that, prior to the tournament, were bigging up England was beyond what they merited. I suspect that England players know exactly where they stand in the scheme of things. Certainly every intelligent, rational football fan I know had no illusions about England and only gave them an outside chance of getting past the quarter-finals at best.

Every time I picked up a newspaper I read another daft article comparing Rooney with Messi - Venables actually said that Rooney was the best player in the world. This, a player who until last season struggled to get a dozen league goals a season, who hadn't scored any goals since March, who recently went three years without scoring in a competitive international and who hadn't scored in a major tournament for 6 years.

This unrealistic expectation of players like him and others allied with a supposedly astute tactician like Capello playing the utterly outdated 4-4-2, with the best midfielder - Gerrard - wasted on the left against Algeria, a useless goal-shy striker in Heskey in support of a goal-shy (at international level) Rooney made it abundantly clear to any England fan with half a brain that England were not very good and unlikely to make significant progress and would certainly not win the thing.

Trust me, England know that they aren't very good.

Wow what a depressing breakdown of the current England side, sadly it's all true!

[red g]

Wow what a depressing breakdown of the current England side, sadly it's all true!

i am sure bar spain you could do a similar hatchet job on most of the teams in the world cup.

[Leyton388]

So when will we appoint bungle as our manager!