Scum vs Liverpool match thread

[SimonNo7]

Would quite to see Babel run over Vidic to be honest.

Would quite like to see a steam roller run over Vidic to be honest

[CJ]

What about last season?

we didnt look this bad last season

not much in it i grant you

i think that even when it went **** with Rafa we could rely on certain things.

now those are not a given any more

is this Roys fault?

well i think the word fault is misleading, it is because Roy has or is changing how we play. Now in transition it isnt going to look great. He needs more time and its not a job anyone would relish at the moment is it?

we do look weaker now is that because

we have to sell players?

rafa has gone ?

roy has come in?

we are in transition?

all of the above.

it is possible that those who say Roy is **** are right just because he hasnt had the time doesnt mean they are wrong, however it is to early to really tell and you need to take everything into account the situation at the club etc

its a long road and we have to keep moving.

[Dalglish]

How anyone can say that Poulsen was anything other than average either didnt watch the game or just doesnt get football.

[Mattshark]

That was so bad. How can anyone argue that Konchesky is a better player than Insua. It's a long time since I've felt so pessimistic about a season. There seems to be no light at the end of a very long tunnel.

What concerns me most is the we didn't even look dominant against West Brom at home, we have lost shape, lost control of games and look a poorer side than last season.

[Icon]

Why are we talking about Roy and his position. We are five, yes five, games into the season and we have lost two games. We have got at least another five to lose before we should really start to worry.

I can't find where I mentioned his job...

[Tatterdemalion]

I would of liked to have seen him run at Vidic personally.

Would quite to see Babel run over Vidic to be honest.

[SimonNo7]

Don't disagree with you but at 2-2 it doesn't matter how the goals went in and you either decide to go for the win or you don't. If you decide to try to hold on to what you have at OT then you're looking for trouble imo.

fair enough, I can't disagree with you but I do see why we did what we did, bearing in mind how we are still learning what Hodgson wants to do. The question that none of us can answer though is, 'did Hodgson tell them to try and hold on to the end or is it just the players mentality especially after a number of seasons of playing like we thought a one-nil lead would be enough in every game?' (I do realise we weren't winning this game.)

[SimonNo7]

Firstly I can't believe how many posts have been made during the game, do you guys watch the match?

Konchesky was woeful, never got tight enough and too many stray passes - added to the fact he hid behind Pepe for the first goal wtf?

O'**** should have been sent off but other than that I didn't think Webb was so bad, he could have easily given a few pens against us. We are so rash in defence sometimes, Carra, Skrtel and Agger we need to cut that out.

Gerrard was the engine again, Torres needs to take a leaf out of Ngogs book and start pressing more, we allowed them way too much time on the ball.

RM's role in nudging Fletcher in the free-kick was great to open the gap up.

Jova added not much I would have liked to see Babel come on to run at them.

I would of liked to have seen him run at Vidic personally.

[Tatterdemalion]

To be honest at the toilet that is what you would expect the away team to do, whoever that team is and what you would expect them to do being the home team especially after losing a two goal lead again. However you cannot get away from the fact that two of their goals were down to individual errors. Any footballer knows that you stand goal side of the attacking player. I know Torres shouldn't of been there but he was and he should know what to do. As for Carra, he should of let Berba know he was there, just like someone should of let Nani know that they were there.

Don't disagree with you but at 2-2 it doesn't matter how the goals went in and you either decide to go for the win or you don't. If you decide to try to hold on to what you have at OT then you're looking for trouble imo.

[Shaggy]

BBC Sport's Phil McNulty at Old Trafford: "Manchester United had time to recover from losing their lead this week and they fully deserved to win, with Dimitar Berbatov producing a masterclass. They were vastly superior to an ordinary Liverpool."

Very harsh from a neutrals perspective

We are ordinary at best at the moment.

[reds123]

The fact that Hyypia wasn't replaced properly is costing us games! We need another 6 '4 who has speed and strength enough for premier lg football. It's obvious that Skrtel and Carra (now that he's 34) aren't good enough for the job. The last goal should have been taken easily by a Hyypia!!!

Tactics: Hodgson is another version of Houllier but let's give him time!

[brightred]

That was so bad. How can anyone argue that Konchesky is a better player than Insua. It's a long time since I've felt so pessimistic about a season. There seems to be no light at the end of a very long tunnel.

[Gibbo]

we are not good enough.

[GraciousGooner]

BBC Sport's Phil McNulty at Old Trafford: "Manchester United had time to recover from losing their lead this week and they fully deserved to win, with Dimitar Berbatov producing a masterclass. They were vastly superior to an ordinary Liverpool."

Very harsh from a neutrals perspective

[kris90210]

win today would have put us level on points with the scum. Not the disaster the media would have you believe. Chins up! Toodle pip!

It's the nature of the defeat Johnny. We've looked ****ing awful all season