Post-mortem Northampton

[MosRay]

With no money to spend I'd like to see how you think we could sign top 4 class players.

What's your point Danny, sell the **** and replace them with ****... FCUK me Danny lad.... wake up will you............

I agree we should get behind the manager... but sorry I cannot get behind this one... I was totally against Hodgson from day one...

May be we cannot attract a top class manager... but I am sure there are lower league managers out there with more ability than hodgson has....

O'neil is free..............

[S-RED]

What's your point Danny, sell the **** and replace them with ****... FCUK me Danny lad.... wake up will you............

I agree we should get behind the manager... but sorry I cannot get behind this one... I was totally against Hodgson from day one...

May be we cannot attract a top class manager... but I am sure there are lower league managers out there with more ability than hodgson has....

O'neil is free..............

WE ALREADY HAD A TOP CLASS MANAGER, UNFORTUNATLEY THEY CHOOSE TO SACK HIM ( By mutual consent......)

No one in their right mind would go anywhere near our toxic club now, were stuck with Mr nice & steady.

Still we'll turn it around in the next game ..................... HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

God its so ****ing depressing

[malg]

Sack him, he will never move us forward. He has a smalll club mentality, and has no clue how to motivate big players/earners. His decisions to play a total in experienced side last night without at least the bench being made up of top players was a disgrace. We are now a laughing stock and going no where.Unless we get rid and get someone like Daglish in we might find ourselves fighting relegtion.

[merlboo]

At the start of last season we kicked off the season with an air of depression around the club. We'd just finished 2nd in the league, ending the season playing some brilliant football, and with United losing Ronaldo, we all thought it was our big chance to push on and win the league the following year.

Rafa signed a new contract around Easter, being told he'd have £40m quid plus whatever we raised through sales to strengthen the squad and allow us to really push on for that league title.

Torres was talking up David Villa and David Silva, and players all looking forward to who we'd bring in and looking forward to the season starting.

In the end, the owners business model came crashing down in style, with RBS calling in loans and the summer then revolved around recouping as much capital as possible to repay the banks.

Players were sold and replacements signed only from clubs that already owed us money, meaning as little cash outlay as possible at the time. The £40m soon turned into a repayment.

It soon hit home with the players that we weren't going to be signing the players we needed and wouldn't be doing anytime soon. A cloud formed over the club and we went into the season looking glum.

We never recovered.

Rafa blamed the senior players after the home defeat to Villa, while later on the senior players seemed to blame him. It was a season to forget, but all stemmed from what happened in the summer to me.

People screamed it was all Rafa's fault and if we got rid of the fat Spanish cunt you'd see a different side next season. He'd lost the dressing room and was taking the club backwards.

We disagreed.

Changing the manager will change nothing we said. We'd be replacing him with an inferior manager, and no manager in the world would be able to achieve success under the current ownership. They wouldn't listen.

We sacked Rafa and replaced him with flavour of the month with the media. Our current board know as much about football as my missus. They selected the new manager on the back of media opinion, as well as - not forgetting - Martin Broughton's interview after Roy's appointment that he was impressed most of all that Roy didn't ask about transfer funds and was happy to work with whatever squad was available.

It says it all.

I don't blame Roy for the shambles of a start to this season. He's tactically inept and massively inferior to our previous manager and is way out of his depth, but as we said throughout last year when Rafa was taking it from all angles - nobody stands a chance at the club in its current state. Nothing changes until the owners do.

We can all score points arguing all day about Rafa and Roy, but the facts are the board that know nothing about football sacked a world class manager and replaced him with a 62yr old that hadn't managed a big club in 20 years. They apparently sacked Rafa due to our poor style of football that the senior players were unhappy with, then replaced him with a manager that plays even more negatively and had no experience of dealing with the pressure associated with a club like ours. A board that understood football would have known that.

Everything points back to the board and the owners.

The dark cloud hanging over the club remains until they've gone, no matter who the manager.

Maybe those slaughtering Rafa last season will now begin to realise what we were on about.

[S-RED]

At the start of last season we kicked off the season with an air of depression around the club. We'd just finished 2nd in the league, ending the season playing some brilliant football, and with United losing Ronaldo, we all thought it was our big chance to push on and win the league the following year.

Rafa signed a new contract around Easter, being told he'd have £40m quid plus whatever we raised through sales to strengthen the squad and allow us to really push on for that league title.

Torres was talking up David Villa and David Silva, and players all looking forward to who we'd bring in and looking forward to the season starting.

In the end, the owners business model came crashing down in style, with RBS calling in loans and the summer then revolved around recouping as much capital as possible to repay the banks.

Players were sold and replacements signed only from clubs that already owed us money, meaning as little cash outlay as possible at the time. The £40m soon turned into a repayment.

It soon hit home with the players that we weren't going to be signing the players we needed and wouldn't be doing anytime soon. A cloud formed over the club and we went into the season looking glum.

We never recovered.

Rafa blamed the senior players after the home defeat to Villa, while later on the senior players seemed to blame him. It was a season to forget, but all stemmed from what happened in the summer to me.

People screamed it was all Rafa's fault and if we got rid of the fat Spanish cunt you'd see a different side next season. He'd lost the dressing room and was taking the club backwards.

We disagreed.

Changing the manager will change nothing we said. We'd be replacing him with an inferior manager, and no manager in the world would be able to achieve success under the current ownership. They wouldn't listen.

We sacked Rafa and replaced him with flavour of the month with the media. Our current board know as much about football as my missus. They selected the new manager on the back of media opinion, as well as - not forgetting - Martin Broughton's interview after Roy's appointment that he was impressed most of all that Roy didn't ask about transfer funds and was happy to work with whatever squad was available.

It says it all.

I don't blame Roy for the shambles of a start to this season. He's tactically inept and massively inferior to our previous manager and is way out of his depth, but as we said throughout last year when Rafa was taking it from all angles - nobody stands a chance at the club in its current state. Nothing changes until the owners do.

We can all score points arguing all day about Rafa and Roy, but the facts are the board that know nothing about football sacked a world class manager and replaced him with a 62yr old that hadn't managed a big club in 20 years. They apparently sacked Rafa due to our poor style of football that the senior players were unhappy with, then replaced him with a manager that plays even more negatively and had no experience of dealing with the pressure associated with a club like ours. A board that understood football would have known that.

Everything points back to the board and the owners.

The dark cloud hanging over the club remains until they've gone, no matter who the manager.

Maybe those slaughtering Rafa last season will now begin to realise what we were on about.

Can't help but agree, but god am i even more depressed now

[Bender]

Bye Bye Roy

[malg]

Maybe those slaughtering Rafa last season will now begin to realise what we were on about.

Well said

[S-RED]

One is for sure, Saturdays game will prove if Roy has the team behind him or not.

A good win & performance is an absolute minimum requirement

[Lecter]

Aside from the fact that Roy's had his squad weakened considerably, you mean?

No

Burnley were not in the ****ing 4th division and we were playing away

Irrespective Hodgson has to face the firing squad just like Rafa did

There are NO EXCUSES (certainly non that involve Rafa) for that yesterday

Just like there were NO EXCUSES (certainly non that involved Houllier) when we got beat at Burnley

[tsb]

Sunderland is exactly the kind of club we could do without facing right now. Bernard Cribbins will be rubbing his hands at the thought of piling on more misery.

Three defeats saw of our last Roy back in 1998, will history repeat itself?

[Lecter]

at times we we defending the 6 yard box. No pressing to win back the back, just let them have it and hope we get a chance to hit them on the counter attack.

The same mundane ****e that has been served up all season so far but cranked right up to 11 this time.

PRESSURE ON THE BALL ROY, FOR ****S SAKE!!!

The same basic problems that Roy has failed to address consistently in most games so far. I fear a truly bleak season is ahead.

This has been symptomatic of Hodgsons tenure

I've said this before I've no qualms with watching drab football if it has a means to an end

Even the great sides of the 70's ground out results at times by virtue of boring the opposition into submission

This is dire, we are playing defensive football (the type that Rafa was slaughtered for) without the organisation and pressing game needed to make that a success

Its truely baffling

To me we are sitting between two stools (the **** variety not the wooden one) we are trying to be defensive without pressing and organisation, we are trying to hoof the ball out the back without a target man and then we are instructing the midfield to try and pass the ball which we are doing but only across the pitch

I just cant figure out what he is trying to do

[Exiled_red]

Its not the managers fault. We wanted him to play the kids and the fringe players and thats what he did. Its their fault for not performing

But it wasn't just a team of kids we had: Jones, Agger, Kyriakos, Lucas, Jovanovic, and Babel. That's 6 players all of whom are experienced and have played at international level!! 4 of them were at the World Cup this summer.

When Rafa was playing similar sorts of line ups we included the likes of Gerrard and Torres on the bench as insurance, Roy not doing so was a huge error of judgement IMO. The bench selected last night had no experience what so ever, IIRC only Robinson and Eccleston, had any first team experience at all.

[Lecter]

But it wasn't just a team of kids we had: Jones, Agger, Kyriakos, Lucas, Jovanovic, and Babel. That's 6 players all of whom are experienced and have played at international level!! 4 of them were at the World Cup this summer.

Correct

If he had played the kids I would have been more sympathetic

[Red Wino]

Maybe those slaughtering Rafa last season will now begin to realise what we were on about.

A-****ing-MEN

[kris90210]

Bloody depressing. I'm all for giving managers time - it's not so much the results that are so worrying, as the performances. I haven't seen us play well once so far this season. Granted, this feels like a continuation of last year, but Roy was brought in to steady the ship, and that quite clearly is not happening.

I read that Fulham suffered some early setbacks, and it took a few weeks before things started to click. Hopefully that will be the case here as well.

In my opinion, we need to hang in there until October 6th and see what the ownership situation is. If we have new owners in place, it's likely that they will want to bring in their own man in any case. Prefereably someone who plays attractive football!! If we were to replace Roy now we could well find ourselves in the position of having had four managers in the space of a year. That's not Liverpool FC.

Patience. At least until the ownership issue is resolved.

I didn't actually watch the game, so can anyone give me some player ratings please?