Post-mortem Northampton

[PTP]

most of his mistakes were playing last night.

you've lost me here - most of rafa's mistakes were playing last night? - only babel and lucas i'd say you could argue as 'mistakes'

not trying to turn this into a roy vs rafa arguement - but you have to laugh - when he wins the champions league, its houlliers team, and then when we get knocked out by northampton at home a few months after he has left, it's his fault too

[red g]

I hate criticising a manager, especially ours. I think we should still give Roy a chance to rectify things. I don't like the things I'm seeing but call for his head are premature but at the same time, we're not far off a relegation place in the league, we've just being dumped out of a cup competition by a poor team.

If the club was to go into Administration today, we'd be bottom of the league with -4 points, taking into account the 9 points deduction. Who would bet on us getting out of this rut? Being brutally honest, I don't think I would.

the heart, desire and proud has been ripped out of this once proud club starting from the very top its rotten to the core.

I am honestly really doubting that Roy should be given that chance, It doesnt need slow and steady or a calmign influence. It needs someone who remembers what its like to put on that red shirt and the immense pride our players wore it with.

Someone needs to get into the heart of the dressing room and rip em a new arsehole, we need a siege mentality.....We have players good enough, but maybe not strong enough.

[Shaggy]

you've lost me here - most of rafa's mistakes were playing last night? - only babel and lucas i'd say you could argue as 'mistakes'

not trying to turn this into a roy vs rafa arguement - but you have to laugh - when he wins the champions league, its houlliers team, and then when we get knocked out by northampton at home a few months after he has left, it's his fault too

And he's top of the league in Italy already, and apparently he has **** all to do with that either

Let's face it, everything in the world is Benitez's fault. That much is obvious.

[red g]

you've lost me here - most of rafa's mistakes were playing last night? - only babel and lucas i'd say you could argue as 'mistakes'

not trying to turn this into a roy vs rafa arguement - but you have to laugh - when he wins the champions league, its houlliers team, and then when we get knocked out by northampton at home a few months after he has left, it's his fault too

your right, i was talking about Babel and Lucas really.....far to much of a sweeping statement. TBH it has **** all to do with Rafa. Not sure what i was responding to, but soooo pissed at moment lashing out all over

[Fredo]

the heart, desire and proud has been ripped out of this once proud club starting from the very top its rotten to the core.

I am honestly really doubting that Roy should be given that chance, It doesnt need slow and steady or a calmign influence. It needs someone who remembers what its like to put on that red shirt and the immense pride our players wore it with.

Someone needs to get into the heart of the dressing room and rip em a new arsehole, we need a siege mentality.....We have players good enough, but maybe not strong enough.

Just seen this on Twitter, I think it's spot on.

Gareth Roberts
RT @LD_LDN @robbohuyton the manager's over-cautiousness drains the players' confidence in themselves. Expect a problem and you'll get one.

[Chrono]

Yesterday on the radio they mentioned how one of the fulham players had said that training was very boring under roy,it was about defending and keeping shape.and now that mark hughes has taken over its more about attack etc.
Unless roy changes his style and plays us the way liverpool of old are used to playing.we are in for a very depressing season,with an extremely pissed off torres at the end of it.

LFC
Lost 5
Drawn 3
Won 6
Win percentage: 42.8%

Fulham
won 4
Drawn 7
Lost 2
Win percentage: 30.7%

We played Arsenal, Man C and Man U. The only top team they have played is Man U.

Good to hear they are enjoying training.

[Craig_H]

No

Burnley were not in the ****ing 4th division and we were playing away

Irrespective Hodgson has to face the firing squad just like Rafa did

There are NO EXCUSES (certainly non that involve Rafa) for that yesterday

Just like there were NO EXCUSES (certainly non that involved Houllier) when we got beat at Burnley

I dont see the value in turning this into a 'rafa good, roy bad' thing, or even a rafa v roy scenario. The idea is about the fortunes of LFC, not about favouring one over the other. Roy is not in competition with Rafa, and vice-versa.

[Craig_H]

What a great way of lifting a young player's confidence.

Come on, you're now doing the same thing as people did with rafa - nit-picking every little thing they could, to use as a stick to beat him with.

[PTP]

your right, i was talking about Babel and Lucas really.....far to much of a sweeping statement. TBH it has **** all to do with Rafa. Not sure what i was responding to, but soooo pissed at moment lashing out all over

haha - no worries, i understand what you were trying to do, in defending roy which is fair enough and very noble.....you just ****ed up - if we can't laugh at ourselves we'll cry.

[PTP]

And he's top of the league in Italy already, and apparently he has **** all to do with that either

Let's face it, everything in the world is Benitez's fault. That much is obvious.

yeah - he's one lucky ******* that rafael benitez

[red g]

Just seen this on Twitter, I think it's spot on.

Quote:
Gareth Roberts
RT @LD_LDN @robbohuyton the manager's over-cautiousness drains the players' confidence in themselves. Expect a problem and you'll get one.

Same as Rafa as well.......We need to go out and try beat teams, not set up not to lose.

I think Roy Evans was the last team our team went out and expressed hiimself.

I want keegan as manager.......at least we wlould be fun to watch again!!

[Craig_H]

you've lost me here - most of rafa's mistakes were playing last night? - only babel and lucas i'd say you could argue as 'mistakes'

not trying to turn this into a roy vs rafa arguement - but you have to laugh - when he wins the champions league, its houlliers team, and then when we get knocked out by northampton at home a few months after he has left, it's his fault too

Cant help but agree with this.

Whatever the various arguments are, the pure simple fact is that Rafa's now top of Serie A and we're 16th in the PL & out of the beer cup.

[red g]

haha - no worries, i understand what you were trying to do, in defending roy which is fair enough and very noble.....you just ****ed up - if we can't laugh at ourselves we'll cry.

i did.....and your right, unfortuntaley every other ****er is laughing at us to.

Pity off the mancs is making ym stomach churn

[PTP]

the heart, desire and proud has been ripped out of this once proud club starting from the very top its rotten to the core.

I am honestly really doubting that Roy should be given that chance, It doesnt need slow and steady or a calmign influence. It needs someone who remembers what its like to put on that red shirt and the immense pride our players wore it with.

Someone needs to get into the heart of the dressing room and rip em a new arsehole, we need a siege mentality.....We have players good enough, but maybe not strong enough.

totally agree - the club from the top, to the management, to the players - have lost all sense of direction and pride.

we need to appoint my dream team i wanted before we got hodgson - daglish working alongside hyypia, hamann, marcus babbel, gary mac and er jari litmanen i think it was

oh and slaven bilic thrown in cause he's one cool mothercrusher

[red g]

Cant help but agree with this.

Whatever the various arguments are, the pure simple fact is that Rafa's now top of Serie A and we're 16th in the PL & out of the beer cup.

but isnt it also a fact Rafa took over a team at the very top of there game and ROy took over a team that is at its lowest ebb since Houiller?