Post-mortem Northampton

[Needles]

Its only the league cup and we were NEVER going to win it even if we beat Northampton.

You're right... we shouldn't have even bothered entering it. We aren't going to win the FA Cup or the league either.

[Lecter]

ive never been totally convinced that roy was thr right choice but as a fan youve got to back the manager but i thought he might be out of his depth and it looks very much like it.

today we probably had a team that cost at least £30m and we were playing a team that probably spent £300k on theirs.

hodgson isnt getting the best out of the players and people can say whatever they like about the depth and quality of the fringe players, if we cant beat northampton at home then the manager has to take the blame.

we've been playing rubbish football since he took charge and its utterly demoralising stuff if youre a liverpool fan. for some of the fringe players like babel, pacheco and spearing its bad news if you cant impress against league 2 defenders.

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[Neil Young]

And I want to wake up every morning in bed with Cheryl Cole....

Rafa is out of the questin until new owners come in. Lets be honest, our only realistic option right now is Kenny. As has been said already, how the **** he was overlooked in the summer is just criminal, especially considering how desperate he was for the job as well.

Rafa is out of the question, full stop.

I still don't know why he was sacked - sorry, let go "by mutual consent"

Well, I do know, but it's not because seventh was unacceptable to the club hierarchy because his replacement stands no chance of bettering it to any significant extent.

And I still don't know why anyone bothers to defend Purslow in all this.

But hey ho, maybe Hodgson will prove us all wrong in time.

[el matador]

[QUOTE=BigChief;1719199]In case anyone noticed the mighty Chelsea and Man City, each a billion pounds richer than us, both lost with their non-youngsters.[/QUOTE

they will be in the fight for the big prizes. we wont

this was an important competition for us. liverpool are no longer a big team and this represents silverware.

[CJ]

he has bought ****

but saying that lacks context. We are a club on a downward slope at the moment. Now with the money situation then we arent going to buy the likes of masch etc so Roy needs to buy players below that level.

He might just feel for where we are and hs plan to steady the ship that players he knows and can do a steady job are just what is needed.

context can help alot.

i dont like the players he has bought but who would we have bought?

i know not letting insua go may have been the answer but maybe the answer was to develop in another league or the fact that he gets lots of stick so a steady eddy has to come in.

[calvoboy]

I said this in the other thread and stand by it

Worst start for 18 years in the league

Fail to win Saturday and its the worst start for over 50 years (since we got relegated in the 50's)

Out of the League Cup by a side 17th in League 2 (or 3rd from bottom in the 4th division for any old arses like me out there)

He NEVER should have been appointed and how the **** we overlooked Kenny for him is beyond ****ing belief

But, playing devil's advocate:

worst fixture list for first 5 games in 18 years (we're actually only a point worse off than same fixtures last year, despite the timing of these fixtures, the general upheaval at the club and having a new manager trying to get the players playing and thinking in a different way).

Who gives a toss about the Carling Cup? ****ing embarrassing way to go out of it, but we were never going to prioritise or win it.

Great start to Europa campaign.

We used to take the piss out of foreign clubs that would sack their manager after just half a dozen games, when they've just bought the players that they want over the summer, when a new manager won't be able to sign anyone until January, and before the current manager has had a chance to get the team playing the way he wants. I had big doubts about appointing Roy too, but it's far too early to be thinking about sacking him.

I stand by my comments in the previous thread too - if we get 10 points from 12 in the league now (as we should expect) then things will be looking a lot better and tonight will be forgotten. Drop many more points against Sunderland, Blackpool, Everton and Blackburn, and then it's fair to start to question where he's leading us and think about sacking him.

[BigChief]

Against Premiership sides

You missed the billion pounds bit. And the non-youngster reserves bit too.

[DannyMan2006]

couldn't care less ?

and your judging him on one bad season and one questionable buy ...your not a geordie are you ?...

Rafa had 5 years by my book and only once came even close to winning the league, and even then we never looked like winning it after throwing it away.

I think overall he did okay in the league, but he was hardly fantastic and went three years without winning a major trophy. If you then push out a vital squad member and end up 7th and crashing out of the CL group stages you have to accept you are at risk.

Personally I'd have loved him to have been backed with money after he came 2nd and maybe we'd be talking about something different. But it is what it is.

[Daniel 7]

FFS - Sack Roy, "he's got another 5 games", Rafa would do better etc. SHOULD they be good enough to beat Northampton? How many Liverpool youngsters have come through in the last 5 years? Where are those that are now "of age" plying their trade?Rafa had £38m and he blew it on GJ and Aqualiani. How much has Hodgo spent this transfer window trying to right those wrongs? We have Cole, Raul, Konchesky (yes, even him) and Poulsen -more astute signings than King Benitez made in the past few years.

Hmm, are you being sarcastic?

[Neil Young]

FFS - Sack Roy, "he's got another 5 games", Rafa would do better etc. SHOULD they be good enough to beat Northampton? How many Liverpool youngsters have come through in the last 5 years? Where are those that are now "of age" plying their trade?Rafa had £38m and he blew it on GJ and Aqualiani. How much has Hodgo spent this transfer window trying to right those wrongs? We have Cole, Raul, Konchesky (yes, even him) and Poulsen -more astute signings than King Benitez made in the past few years.

Cole's overrated, Meireles maybe good - the other two are somewhere between average and ****.

[Lecter]

FFS - Sack Roy, "he's got another 5 games", Rafa would do better etc. SHOULD they be good enough to beat Northampton? How many Liverpool youngsters have come through in the last 5 years? Where are those that are now "of age" plying their trade?Rafa had £38m and he blew it on GJ and Aqualiani. How much has Hodgo spent this transfer window trying to right those wrongs? We have Cole, Raul, Konchesky (yes, even him) and Poulsen -more astute signings than King Benitez made in the past few years.

£5 million + on Konchesky and £2.5 million on Brad Jones is evidence enough for me

[Lecter]

Cole's overrated, Meireles maybe good - the other two are somewhere between average and ****.

[Mattshark]

FFS - Sack Roy, "he's got another 5 games", Rafa would do better etc. SHOULD they be good enough to beat Northampton? How many Liverpool youngsters have come through in the last 5 years? Where are those that are now "of age" plying their trade?Rafa had £38m and he blew it on GJ and Aqualiani. How much has Hodgo had to spend this transfer window trying to right those wrongs? We have Cole, Raul, Konchesky (yes, even him) and Poulsen -more astute signings than King Benitez made in the past few years. He can't win. I give him 12 months, not 6 weeks FFS!!!

That completely ignores all nuances, well done. Nice massive oversimplification there of last seasons transfers there.

[DannyMan2006]

i know not letting insua go may have been the answer but maybe the answer was to develop in another league or the fact that he gets lots of stick so a steady eddy has to come in.

Insua had a year left on his contract, just like Arbeloa did when we let him go. I think we now know what the biggest mistake was.

[Kenneth]

he has bought ****

but saying that lacks context. We are a club on a downward slope at the moment. Now with the money situation then we arent going to buy the likes of masch etc so Roy needs to buy players below that level.

He might just feel for where we are and hs plan to steady the ship that players he knows and can do a steady job are just what is needed.

context can help alot.

i dont like the players he has bought but who would we have bought?

i know not letting insua go may have been the answer but maybe the answer was to develop in another league or the fact that he gets lots of stick so a steady eddy has to come in.

Not quite sure what the question was, but that's a very unlikely answer. The hardest Jeopardy question ever.