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    Et tu Carragher? - Carra the main man behind Rafa leaving?

    Not normally a man for conspiracy theories but caught this stuff in RAWK & YNWA. It actually fits in with the current shut we're in. IF true (and I believe of is) we really are ****ED as a club.

    Here ya go it's 2 separate posts:

    [quote name='Redray' timestamp='1286220703' post='2730258']
    The poster is A1 555, Surfer was quoted from him. He has a conspiracy theory. He is basically saying the Carra, assisted by Gerrard basically conspired to force out Rafa from the beginning of last season with help from from people like Murphy and his friend Durham from Talks****.

    A medley of his posts;

    "We all know who is closely connected to the people responsible for attacking Benitez and who was feeding them the information.

    A week before he was axed Benitez issued an impassioned appeal for support through Ballague in which he made it crystal clear he wanted to stay, he has kept his house on Merseyside and still even yesterday was calling LFC fans "OUR FANS" and was saying that it is the Liverpool managers responsibility to defend the Club and it's fans.

    Benitez was axed whilst on a family holiday and whilst Carra and Gerrard where safely tucked away on a long haul flight to South Africa. Mutual Consent my a***.

    what happens when people miss-represent Carra.

    Durham gets it wrong about Carra quiting England and Carra rings him up live on air.

    Tomkins says Philly and Paul Caragher have been openly campaigning against Benitez and Carra rings them up and says just because they are it doesn't mean he agrees with them.

    Then Durham and Collymore day after day say Rafa has lost the backing off Carra and Stevie and what does Carra do. Does he ring them up live on air and put them right.

    Nope he invites Talks**** to do a show from his Bar, agrees to go and work for them and then gives them a sensational exclusive when he agrees to play for England again.

    A remarkable metamorphosis then occurred after Durham's visit to Carra's bar suddenly Collymore became Carra's biggest fan and Durham and Collymore suddenly gained a mole within the Anfield dressing room.

    Then as soon as Carra came out of retirement it became official Talks**** policy that Glen Johnson was dogs*** and that he should be replaced at right back, I wonder if anyone can guess who Durham campaigned for to play at right back.

    Let's face it Bascombe, Durham and Collymore constantly stated that Carra and Gerrard had lost faith and wanted Benitez out. Given Carra's track record contacting Durham and Tomkins it is simply unbelievable that if it wasn't true that he wouldn't set the record straight.

    I wonder who Danny Murphy was talking about in January

    "I will always be a fan. I keep in touch with a lot of people close to the club and many think the time has come for a new manager. I agree providing that process doesn't cripple the club financially in terms of pay-offs."

    That's the article where he also said Roy Hodgson was a better manager than Rafa and that Rafa had to go?

    I think Danny must be Physic, getting the Rafa pay off and Hodgson appointment right a full five months before it happened.

    As Physic as Carra and Gerrard knowing that Hodgson would want Joe Cole at the Club before he was even appointed.

    Hodgson praised Gerrard and Carra for talking Joe Cole into signing for Liverpool during the World Cup.

    The whole think stinks to high heaven and people are burying their heads in the sand."


    [/quote]

    "Sorry mate that is completely wrong Benitez had the Yanks well and truly on the run, it wasn't the Yanks who removed Benitez it was Broughton.

    He did it after Benitez went to him and told him that Purslow and Carra and to a lesser extent Gerrard had been launching a media campaign to remove him and install Hodgson as his replacement.

    Broughton decided that given the ongoing sale process it was preferable to lose Benitez who had already seen of one CEO and keep Purslow, Carra and Gerrard.

    This is not wild supposition or speculation it is absolute fact, there are plenty of posters on here (ones with a far better reputation on here than me) who have hinted at this and plenty who have confirmed this version of events to me by PM.

    I will not out the people who know what happened that is up to them, I expect to be silenced very shortly but I just hope there is a full and frank discussion of what happened because I firmly believe that Purslow, Carra and Gerrard running this Club is a recipe for disaster.

    Make no mistake that is what is happening now, with players being bought and sold behind the managers back and players being guaranteed starting positions based on player power and not performance.

    Anyone wants an example then look at Carra being chosen ahead of Agger it absolutely stinks, there are plenty of people who know what is happening but all too few people speaking out.

    I will have to go now I am expecting a Call any minute of Carra himself *

    *******************************

    So...any thoughts?

    #2
    I can't see anything in those quotes that would back up anything they say as "fact".

    Of course it does throw up all sorts of questions but I could quite easily if I bothered come up with a piece myself about something very similar.

    Football is a shady business and many writers on both tabloid and web alike make themselves quite a few bob from rumour.

    What is funny is that it has taken months for me to see this kind of talk and I suggest it will be the same for many others on here. My question to you's is that if this was so obvious and so crystal clear why is it only now that it is coming to light?
    Forwards.......

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      #3
      I believe we will not win the league while jamie and sad to say it steven are at the club - They have to much influence and managers are pressured to play them apparantly regardless of form (is there another reason why the agger/skrtel partnership has not been first choice?)

      There were a lot of rumours that Benitez lost the dressing room last season - Maybe all it takes is to lose jamie and the others follow , no?

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        #4
        EDIT: I was wrong.
        Last edited by DannyMan2006; 04-10-10, 11:52 PM.
        Forwards.......

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          #5
          Originally posted by alexjamestodd View Post
          I believe we will not win the league while jamie and sad to say it steven are at the club - They have to much influence and managers are pressured to play them apparantly regardless of form (is there another reason why the agger/skrtel partnership has not been first choice?)

          There were a lot of rumours that Benitez lost the dressing room last season - Maybe all it takes is to lose jamie and the others follow , no?
          There is always rumours. Some are true, some aren't.

          IMO Roy started with Carra and Skrtel because Agger is the best option at LB when we didn't have one. Injuries to Aurelio and doubts and then injuries for Konchesky meant he has never really been available for CB duty.

          I agree Agger is a better CB than Skrtel. I disagree that Skrtel is better than Carra.
          Forwards.......

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            #6
            Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
            I can't see anything in those quotes that would back up anything they say as "fact".

            Of course it does throw up all sorts of questions but I could quite easily if I bothered come up with a piece myself about something very similar.

            Football is a shady business and many writers on both tabloid and web alike make themselves quite a few bob from rumour.

            What is funny is that it has taken months for me to see this kind of talk and I suggest it will be the same for many others on here. My question to you's is that if this was so obvious and so crystal clear why is it only now that it is coming to light?
            Firstly, I never said it was a 'fact'. I quite clearly stated it was a theory. I should also say that whilst I just lifted his stuff tonite, thy were originally posted on RAWK in mid-July.

            Now to answer your qs maybe it's because JC is a very powerful guy at the club. And that maybe those who are aware of his relationship with Purslow were hoping it would turn out for the best and thus not rock the boat. Obviously the club is going down the ****ter under Hodgson. Either way you have to qs the sudden turnaround in his relationship with talk****e, co-ordination of Rafa's sacking with the flights to SA, Carra having his worst ****ing season in 7 years and yet Agger is still kicking his heels.

            Listen, I'm so low right now maybe I'll believe anything but I really do think that there is something in this.

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              #7
              Please we're in such a mess at the moment having conspiracy theory posts on who was behind rafa leaving/controlling all governments in the world really isnt going to help

              They were probably fed up but this is just sensationalist stuff that belongs in the NofW

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                #8
                is it beyond the realms of possibility that the captain and the vice captain conspired against the manager to get rid of him.

                i dont think it is. balague alluded to something like this in one of his final articles as rafas mouthpiece. he said something along the lines of rafa knew what needed to be done to sort out liverpool and that it may involve letting go of some stellar names / senior personalities to start the rebuilding again.

                gerrard looks just as clueless now as he did last season and torres simply isnt happy.

                carra and gerrard couldnt take the obsessiveness of rafa any more and they wanted the more welcoming and touchy feeliness of an english manager.

                what they forgot is that with all the pally pallyness of english managers come the 1960's tactics and general cluelessness. the national manager of england is a ****ing italian.

                the fact that the english fa appointed a foreigner to run the english teams tells you everything about english managers. do we really need to say anything more.
                [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bertie View Post
                  Firstly, I never said it was a 'fact'. I quite clearly stated it was a theory. I should also say that whilst I just lifted his stuff tonite, thy were originally posted on RAWK in mid-July.

                  Now to answer your qs maybe it's because JC is a very powerful guy at the club. And that maybe those who are aware of his relationship with Purslow were hoping it would turn out for the best and thus not rock the boat. Obviously the club is going down the ****ter under Hodgson. Either way you have to qs the sudden turnaround in his relationship with talk****e, co-ordination of Rafa's sacking with the flights to SA, Carra having his worst ****ing season in 7 years and yet Agger is still kicking his heels.

                  Listen, I'm so low right now maybe I'll believe anything but I really do think that there is something in this.
                  I never said you did. I was answering something said in the article.

                  As for those ITK's, they are ten a penny on the net and more often than not they're full of it.

                  People have the option of taking it as fact or taking it with a pinch of salt. But within a few minutes or reading the posts I already sure holes in there in that the titanic could have sailed through.
                  Forwards.......

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by el matador View Post
                    is it beyond the realms of possibility that the captain and the vice captain conspired against the manager to get rid of him.

                    i dont think it is. balague alluded to something like this in one of his final articles as rafas mouthpiece. he said something along the lines of rafa knew what needed to be done to sort out liverpool and that it may involve letting go of some stellar names / senior personalities to start the rebuilding again.

                    gerrard looks just as clueless now as he did last season and torres simply isnt happy.

                    carra and gerrard couldnt take the obsessiveness of rafa any more and they wanted the more welcoming and touchy feeliness of an english manager.

                    what they forgot is that with all the pally pallyness of english managers come the 1960's tactics and general cluelessness. the national manager of england is a ****ing italian.

                    the fact that the english fa appointed a foreigner to run the english teams tells you everything about english managers. do we really need to say anything more.
                    It's not beyond the realms of possibility, no. neither are UFO's. But you carry on in your post as that you believe it to be fact and that my friend is how a rumour gathers momentum.

                    No doubt people will read this tomorrow and will be straight onto their work mates about some ITK stuff they have and before you know it it's all over the place, when in all honesty it could all be make believe.
                    Forwards.......

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                      It's not beyond the realms of possibility, no. neither are UFO's. But you carry on in your post as that you believe it to be fact and that my friend is how a rumour gathers momentum.

                      No doubt people will read this tomorrow and will be straight onto their work mates about some ITK stuff they have and before you know it it's all over the place, when in all honesty it could all be make believe.



                      But what if it isn't?!? Seriously. FWIW the stuff about Philly C is 100%. I heard it straight from the horses mouth last season. Thought it was just the ranting of a fella after too much ale...

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                        #12
                        FWIW, I found teh Murphy article, and the poster on RAWK is correct about what Murphy said. I do remember Murphy being on Sky and being asked about LFC, but this was clearly at a different time to what the RAWK article refers to:

                        http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...866564,00.html

                        Danny Murphy feels Liverpool have gone backwards under Rafa Benitez since he left the club in 2004.

                        The experienced midfielder, who is now on the books of Fulham, believes the time has come for sweeping changes to be made at Anfield if they are to set out on the road to recovery.

                        The 32-year-old playmaker is of the opinion that in order for progress to be made, Benitez needs to be shown the door and a new manager brought in to help steady the ship.

                        With pressure mounting on the Spaniard with each passing game, it may only be a matter of time before Murphy's beliefs are shared by the Liverpool board.

                        A disastrous 2009/10 has underlined just how far away the club are from being regular contenders for major trophies, and much of the blame for their ongoing failings has been laid at Benitez's door.

                        "If you ask me has the time for Liverpool come to look for a new manager then I have to say 'yes'," Murphy told the News of the World.

                        "That is not me slating the guy because he forced me out when I didn't want to leave the club in the first place. Neither am I saying he is a bad manager. But over the last year or so the club have not moved forwards, in fact they are going backwards.

                        Mistakes
                        "I will always be a fan. I keep in touch with a lot of people close to the club and many think the time has come for a new manager. I agree providing that process doesn't cripple the club financially in terms of pay-offs."

                        He added: "Liverpool's problems at the moment are not just about some of the bad buys they have made for a lot of money over the last few years, but also the mistakes they've made in letting players go.

                        "I am not thinking of an obvious one like (Xabi) Alonso, but why on earth did Benitez sell players like Peter Crouch and Craig Bellamy when they are so reliant on Fernando Torres?

                        "It goes without saying the team have ended up relying too much on Torres, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.

                        "Over the past two years Benitez has made too many bad decisions. History says he has won the Champions League and the FA Cup for Liverpool, although even then people can argue about the merit of those wins.

                        "What I do know is that after being there for this length of time the debate should no longer be about Liverpool qualifying for the Champions League or where they finish in the league but actually winning the title. And that's not going to happen again this season. So something has to change.

                        "People go on about how well Liverpool did last season by finishing runners up? So what? We finished second under Gerard Houllier with 80 odd points. Our team also won three big trophies in one season. So things haven't really got much better. If anything they have got worse."
                        Forwards.......

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                          #13
                          Danny Murphy going for an ignorance award there.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by bertie View Post
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                            But what if it isn't?!? Seriously. FWIW the stuff about Philly C is 100%. I heard it straight from the horses mouth last season. Thought it was just the ranting of a fella after too much ale...
                            The poster himself says Jamie denied wanting the same.

                            But to go with the Honda ad slogan of "What If?"

                            Then in fairness it totally stinks. Only one man should be in charge at a football club and that's the manager. What he says should go, for better or for worse.

                            I would say the same with regards to Roy. He should be fully supported by the players and should fail with his best efforts.

                            But managers up and down the country lose players. They are paid good money to get the best out of them and when they don't they've failed their job.
                            Forwards.......

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mattshark View Post
                              Danny Murphy going for an ignorance award there.
                              In fairness Houlliers peak years are close to emulating Rafa's peak years.

                              I think in the end both ran out of steam. Both can point to not being as heavily backed as other teams. But only Rafa can point to the rug being pulled from under his feet when he was so close to getting what the club needed.

                              After a great season Houllier was backed in the market and ****ed it up. Rafa was not backed. instead he made a profit during his dealings.

                              Big difference to me.
                              Forwards.......

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