Stoke Post Match...

[CJ]

The recruitment of Comolli does not indicate a lack of faith in Hodgson. It's just the way they want to go. Comolli will still be in his position when we get a new manager in. They want long term thinking and Comolli does that for them.

They work with the same strategy in the USA and they are comfortable with and understand that system. It makes sense that they adopt the same system over here.

i get your point but if they fully back roy why didnt he know they were doing it?

comolli will be advising on who to get to replace roy.

i have to say i am not sure about comolli but there is enough there for me to believe that they will get a new manager.

remember they bought us without giving a press commentery
remember they bought in comolli without roy or the press knowing

so its not a huge leap to believe that after spending 300m and seeing the results that they will not act. they need to appoint a ceo as well rome wasnt built in a day.

the easiest thing to do is get rid of roy. the thing is getting the right man to replace him, that is what will cause the delay not the fact they want to keep roy

[DannyMan2006]

interestingly they madrid that is have had to wait till the end of the season to get there man. in this case it was Maureen and its been the same in the past.

Jose was at a club that could also be classed as Grade A. And as they had Pellegrini getting their record points total in La Liga there was no great need to out muscle Inter. It was better to wait and let Joses contractual clause kick in.

Anyhow, Real only decided it was him late in the season when Jose had a good chance of winning the CL. We are at a position where the prizes are a long way from being handed out so would have a good chance of getting the man we wanted.

[Leyton388]

Comolli and Kenny are the footballing people high up at the club and will advise NESV about how **** Roy is and what needs to be done.

[CJ]

Jose was at a club that could also be classed as Grade A. And as they had Pellegrini getting their record points total in La Liga there was no great need to out muscle Inter. It was better to wait and let Joses contractual clause kick in.

Anyhow, Real only decided it was him late in the season when Jose had a good chance of winning the CL. We are at a position where the prizes are a long way from being handed out so would have a good chance of getting the man we wanted.

i was responding to your point about the fact that madrid like us could get any manger they wanted instantly. What i was doing was showing that, thats not true. previously madrid have had to wait for who they wanted.

and what odds do you want on this bet about Roy being here next year, am willing to play ball on this

[DannyMan2006]

Iirc Henry said he had already spoken with Roy and told him his intention of bringing in a director of football strategy. So whilst Roy wasn't aware it would be Comolli, he was aware someone was being brought in to take the position.

[badpiggy]

For me, here are the dangers of appointing Kenny:

1. There's a strong possibility of no real improvement to our play or results as he hasn't managed anyone in ages.

2. That potential lack of improvement in our play or results could deepen the malaise that's already clearly afflicting our players as it would then appear that not even a legendary former player/manager can lift or improve them.

3. There's potential for seriously tarnishing a legend's name and reputation. Where could he go in the club then? Just keep "promoting" him out of harm's way?

Of course he might do better in the interim than Hodgson but that "might" would be a big punt. I can't say at this present time and in our present state I wouldn't feel a bit of a thrill if Kenny was appointed tomorrow morning, but I'd be worried fairly soon after.

[Leyton388]

Things might not improve under Kenny but at least he is a winner with that winning mentality and he will not be saying teams like northampton or stoke are strong teams. Plus he will back his players and not bend over for Fergie.

He was the last manager to win the league and knows what standards LFC should be at and what standard of players we should have. ****ing Poulsen?

[CJ]

Iirc Henry said he had already spoken with Roy and told him his intention of bringing in a director of football strategy. So whilst Roy wasn't aware it would be Comolli, he was aware someone was being brought in to take the position.

i thought it was a total surprise

anyway what odds will make you have this bet about Roy being here next season

[Kronenburg1892]

It wouldn't suprise me if getting some of the high earners off the books this season would be part of NESV strategy, especially if they are the wrong side of 27. So keeping Woy on I guess would help with that.

As for NESV publicly backing Hodgson, of course they would. Doesn't mean anything really does it?

I don't think we'll get 4th no matter what happens at the helm, as long as we don't find ourselves in the bottom 3 come May, the the Great British experiment will have run it's course, and those involved with the appointment will realise there's a lot more to managing a team than just being English.

[DannyMan2006]

i was responding to your point about the fact that madrid like us could get any manger they wanted instantly. What i was doing was showing that, thats not true. previously madrid have had to wait for who they wanted.

and what odds do you want on this bet about Roy being here next year, am willing to play ball on this

I don't actually bet anymore, it's more a figure of speech tbh. But my point before was more anyone who we could get in the summer, we could get them now. I however am of the opinion NESV are not looking for a new manager.

Now you can cling to the idea that when they get a new CEO, that person and Comolli will both have a word and indicate Roy is the wrong man. But I think NESV will decide themselves who come in and when.

[CJ]

For me, here are the dangers of appointing Kenny:

1. There's a strong possibility of no real improvement to our play or results as he hasn't managed anyone in ages.

2. That potential lack of improvement in our play or results could deepen the malaise that's already clearly afflicting our players as it would then appear that not even a legendary former player/manager can lift or improve them.

3. There's potential for seriously tarnishing a legend's name and reputation. Where could he go in the club then? Just keep "promoting" him out of harm's way?

Of course he might do better in the interim than Hodgson but that "might" would be a big punt. I can't say at this present time and in our present state I wouldn't feel a bit of a thrill if Kenny was appointed tomorrow morning, but I'd be worried fairly soon after.

on the face of it the King would be a breath of fresh air

one thing though, remember when ginsoak said he was going to retire, the consensus is the players (maybe subconsciously) stopped playing for him as they knew he would be there.

so i think there is a risk that whilst we think they would all play there heart out for the King they may well not.

none of this changes that we need the longterm boss of this club to be brought in as soon as possible. however the unknown to all of us is the how soon is that possible

[CJ]

I don't actually bet anymore, it's more a figure of speech tbh. But my point before was more anyone who we could get in the summer, we could get them now. I however am of the opinion NESV are not looking for a new manager.

Now you can cling to the idea that when they get a new CEO, that person and Comolli will both have a word and indicate Roy is the wrong man. But I think NESV will decide themselves who come in and when.

i think that NESV know roy isnt the right man.

however it will be up to the people they appoint to go out and find the replacement. this may well be discussed by NESV but the structure they are putting in place means that they dont do all that work themselves the club does.

[DannyMan2006]

On Kenny - There is a danger there would be no improvement. But things can't really get any worse so it's more a no lose situation. No one is saying give him a 5 year contract. Just give him the caretaker role whilst we search for a new manager.

If he does well make it permanent.

[Kronenburg1892]

he hasn't been on mars has he? and regardless of what roy has said him and Rafa were close......I am sure he has well upto speed with wahts needed.

It's one thing having a tour around the ground chatting to people, it's another spending your evenings watching tapes of your next oponents and analyzing pro-zone, to working out the latest dietry regime to get the maximum potential out of the fitness of your players, and choose your team accordingly.

[CJ]

On Kenny - There is a danger there would be no improvement. But things can't really get any worse so it's more a no lose situation. No one is saying give him a 5 year contract. Just give him the caretaker role whilst we search for a new manager.

If he does well make it permanent.

well we wont agree so i dont see any point in me repeating the same thing in slightly different ways. one of us will be proved right and one wrong on this.

I dont think its a no lose to get Kenny in. it can get worse its hard to imagine but it can. no one who wanted Rafa gone last year thought it would get worse never mind this much worse.

however we do agree that Roy isnt the man, we also agree we need someone so totally different to Roy.

so i will leave you with those thoughts rather than the little bit we disagree on