Gerrard leaves England game injured

[Ben_Itez]

I thought we weren't allowed to mention the Spanish one's name?

[Ben_Itez]

In fact i'm surprised i've not been banned for my user name.

[Robbie-fowler999]

This is where you're coming across as a hysterical girl stomping her feet, but with no real substance to what you're saying.

The whole point is, every player and every manager 'does wrong' at some point. Are you telling me that you have always given 100% in every single second of your working life? Never had an off day, never had a day where you were ****ed off and couldnt be arsed? Because if you're claiming that, i do not believe you.

Your witch hunt against a player who has carried us for much of the past decade is not only pathetic, but completely unfounded.

Agree with you mate. If you are going to say something first you have to follow up your statement with facts. all hes saying is plain ****.

[Molby]

Arn -catch yourself on.

Stevie G is a giant of this club - think back to Istanbul, think back to olympiakos, think back to west ham in the cup final, he is monumental...above all, he is a winner.

He plays to win 24/7 - in my opinion, that's why he got injured.

For anybody, who calls themself a LFC fan, to disrespect Stevie, and what he has done for our beloved club - then they've no credibility.

[billd]

Im sorry mate but i have to say that most of the things say here are complete and utter ****.

how has gerrard showed that England are first ? He got injured and that can happen this is football.

And i think you really believe that carra and gerrard got rafa sacked. We finished 7th and it was time to move on.

Gerrard and Carragher have served the club in the past decade better than anyone else.

Gerrard has never put England first. hes a ****ing professional and please mate for the sake of this forum stop posting ****.

For some people there's always got to be something else, another reason or an ulterior motive and most of the time it's just bollocks.

[Arn]

Arn -catch yourself on.

Stevie G is a giant of this club - think back to Istanbul, think back to olympiakos, think back to west ham in the cup final, he is monumental...above all, he is a winner.

He plays to win 24/7 - in my opinion, that's why he got injured.

For anybody, who calls themself a LFC fan, to disrespect Stevie, and what he has done for our beloved club - then they've no credibility.

That is your opinion that he always plays to win. Last season tells a totally different story. The truth hurt sometimes but it is still the truth. The truth this time is that Gerrard didn't play to win in many games last season. If he had done that then he at least would have given 100% in every game .

Tomkins, Barrett, Evans, Kay to name a few have the same opinion as me, that Gerrard didn't give 100% in many games. Would you say the same thing to them as you did to me?

Gerrard is a Liverpool legend but his attitude last season was **** and totally unacceptable.

You can continue to think that I have no credibility, I don't care. I know what I saw last season. You can continue to be in the GCDNW club if you want.

Respected journalists know what they saw last season but they probably don't have any credibility......

[Harv]

hahaha

[dww]

That is your opinion that he always plays to win. Last season tells a totally different story. The truth hurt sometimes but it is still the truth. The truth this time is that Gerrard didn't play to win in many games last season. If he had done that then he at least would have given 100% in every game .

Tomkins, Barrett, Evans, Kay to name a few have the same opinion as me, that Gerrard didn't give 100% in many games. Would you say the same thing to them as you did to me?

Gerrard is a Liverpool legend but his attitude last season was **** and totally unacceptable.

You can continue to think that I have no credibility, I don't care. I know what I saw last season. You can continue to be in the GCDNW club if you want.

Respected journalists know what they saw last season but they probably don't have any credibility......

I think the thing is that you are trying to make things very black and white and that is unfair on Gerrard. There are any number of psychological or physical reasons why Gerrard may have struggled to 'give 100%' last season. A lot of the time people don't perform in their job because they find the environment difficult to work in. It is reasonable to assume that the difference might be that he found it hard to 'prepare to succeed' as Rafa is said to think is key.

Essentially I think you are assigning deliberation and motivations to actions where you (we) simply don't have the evidence to do so.

[Arn]

I think the thing is that you are trying to make things very black and white and that is unfair on Gerrard. There are any number of psychological or physical reasons why Gerrard may have struggled to 'give 100%' last season. A lot of the time people don't perform in their job because they find the environment difficult to work in. It is reasonable to assume that the difference might be that he found it hard to 'prepare to succeed' as Rafa is said to think is key.

Essentially I think you are assigning deliberation and motivations to actions where you (we) simply don't have the evidence to do so.

There isn't any evidence yes because we simply can't read his mind but it is very clear when a player sulks on the pitch and Gerrard did that in many games.

It's a difference between sulking and not being able to give 100%. I would have no problem is he wasn't able to give 100% in a game and played bad because of that but he sulked in many games and that is the difference.

If he had worked his socks off but played ****, no problem.
Sulk like he did, then there is a clear attitude problem.

[dww]

I think you over simplify things.

If you look at the way things have gone for other players and teams when a managers authority has been undermined as Rafa's was being by Purslow it is not so dissimilar. I would point you in the direction of the Fergie quote yesterday about his power always having to be obvious and unquestioned.

I think he may well have been thinking he was giving 100%. A lot of top sports people (the last I remember was Jenson Button actually) say that until someone questions or pushes them they think they are doing all they can, only the right prompting drives them on to find more at times. While in some times Gerrard has done it himself sometimes he may need help and a loss of faith in Rafa could deprive him of a source of that.

[SimonNo7]

That is your opinion that he always plays to win. Last season tells a totally different story. The truth hurt sometimes but it is still the truth. The truth this time is that Gerrard didn't play to win in many games last season. If he had done that then he at least would have given 100% in every game .

Tomkins, Barrett, Evans, Kay to name a few have the same opinion as me, that Gerrard didn't give 100% in many games. Would you say the same thing to them as you did to me?

Gerrard is a Liverpool legend but his attitude last season was **** and totally unacceptable.

You can continue to think that I have no credibility, I don't care. I know what I saw last season. You can continue to be in the GCDNW club if you want.

Respected journalists know what they saw last season but they probably don't have any credibility......

Must be true then

Sorry Arn, while I agree with you to a certain degree that Gerrard did look disinterested in some games last season, he has done more than enough over the years to have some bad games.

To be honest I don't actually blame him from being disinterested in some games last season especially when you look at some of the ****e he has to call team mates which resulted in him being over-relied on to get something out of every game for us.

[Harv]

I think you over simplify things.

If you look at the way things have gone for other players and teams when a managers authority has been undermined as Rafa's was being by Purslow it is not so dissimilar. I would point you in the direction of the Fergie quote yesterday about his power always having to be obvious and unquestioned.

I think he may well have been thinking he was giving 100%. A lot of top sports people (the last I remember was Jenson Button actually) say that until someone questions or pushes them they think they are doing all they can, only the right prompting drives them on to find more at times. While in some times Gerrard has done it himself sometimes he may need help and a loss of faith in Rafa could deprive him of a source of that.

you think???

There are no better words to go together than 'Arn' and 'simple'

[Craig_H]

That is your opinion that he always plays to win. Last season tells a totally different story. The truth hurt sometimes but it is still the truth. The truth this time is that Gerrard didn't play to win in many games last season. If he had done that then he at least would have given 100% in every game .

Tomkins, Barrett, Evans, Kay to name a few have the same opinion as me, that Gerrard didn't give 100% in many games. Would you say the same thing to them as you did to me?

Gerrard is a Liverpool legend but his attitude last season was **** and totally unacceptable.

You can continue to think that I have no credibility, I don't care. I know what I saw last season. You can continue to be in the GCDNW club if you want.

Respected journalists know what they saw last season but they probably don't have any credibility......

When he says something, it's his opinion. But when you do, it's 'the truth'

You're fast becoming a parody of yourself.

[Craig_H]

There isn't any evidence yes because we simply can't read his mind but it is very clear when a player sulks on the pitch and Gerrard did that in many games.

It's a difference between sulking and not being able to give 100%. I would have no problem is he wasn't able to give 100% in a game and played bad because of that but he sulked in many games and that is the difference.

If he had worked his socks off but played ****, no problem.
Sulk like he did, then there is a clear attitude problem.

So you want Torres gone too then?

You'd make a brilliant manager....

[vonk]

Would any player sulk almost a whole season if he put the club before his country and at the same time always give 100% when he plays for the national team?

Would any player left the club out to dry several months if he is so in love with the club?

Gerrard can come out and say that he loves the club to bits etc...but his actions isn't exactly pointing to that the last year.

The me, me, me that fans from other clubs use to call our Captain fits in very well.

He got a lot to learn from someone like Hyypia.

And please tell us how exactly he did that? Are you conveniently forgetting that he was injured a lot of last season? That couldn't possibly have been a reason for some poor matches could it?

According to you it was completely one mans fault that we finished 7th last season and that man was Steven Gerrard.

A moment of weakness.. I'm back to ignoring you.