Liverpool v West Ham Pre Match

[Craig_H]

Yossi is a better player than Cole.
Cole hasn't proved a thing after his long term injury. He hasn't proved that the injury hasn't affected him in a negative way.

No he isnt.

You saying it, doesnt make it so.

[Craig_H]

Well, football is about scoring goals no?

I don't know how you and Craig can measure a player's ability then, if you don't take into consideration his output such as goal scored / assists etc ... Maybe Cole does more stepovers than Yossi? Bicycle kicks?

In any case, if we don't agree on how to measure that, then let's agree to disagree, as you say.

It's far too simplistic to just look at goals and assists, and then use purely those stats to decipher who is a better player. There's far more to it.

Otherwise Andy Cole would be right up there as one of the greatest players in PL history. And we all know he wasnt.

[danperkins]

No he isnt.

You saying it, doesnt make it so.

[Craig_H]

FFS sake dan, what are you trying to do to me?

[Fredo]

It's far too simplistic to just look at goals and assists, and then use purely those stats to decipher who is a better player. There's far more to it.

Otherwise Andy Cole would be right up there as one of the greatest players in PL history. And we all know he wasnt.

Now, I'm curious how you'd get to your assessment then.

Seriously mate, I'd really like to know how you base your assumption that it's as clear as that, as it comes down to a matter of opinion in that case. The Cole /Yossi issue is clearly divided.

I also thought that we'd get the best deal in swapping Cole for Yossi, as he's 2 years younger and we've managed to recoup some money in the transaction, but it's also clear that Chelsea thought they'd get good value for him, if not I'm sure they wouldn't have vetoed a £5m deal for him.

[Ben_Itez]

No he isnt.

You saying it, doesnt make it so.

Equally you saying he isnt better doesnt make it so. If everyone added IMO at the end of these statements then we'd all get along fine

IMO there's not much in it. Perhaps Joe Cole at his best is a better player than Benni but arguably over the past 3 seasons Benni has been the more effective player. IMO of course.

[Neil Young]

FFS sake dan, what are you trying to do to me?

He's strangling your serious football analyst image with cuddles. It's a clever tactic, you've got to agree.

[Craig_H]

Now, I'm curious how you'd get to your assessment then.

Seriously mate, I'd really like to know how you base your assumption that it's as clear as that, as it comes down to a matter of opinion in that case. The Cole /Yossi issue is clearly divided.

I also thought that we'd get the best deal in swapping Cole for Yossi, as he's 2 years younger and we've managed to recoup some money in the transaction, but it's also clear that Chelsea thought they'd get good value for him, if not I'm sure they wouldn't have vetoed a £5m deal for him.

So you think goals/assists IS the only think to judge on then? Is that what you're saying?

So that makes lan Shearer and Andy Cole possibly two of the best EVER PL players and people like Tony Adams, Patrick Vieira etc, are therefore rubbish?

Whether or not Chelsea consider it good value, isnt really definitive of anything - they also thought the Shevchenko signing was good enough value to complete the deal.

As for my judgement, there's all manner of things to base it on, including intelligence on the ball, clever movement, awareness of individual responsibilities, decision-making, retaining possession, good use of possession, ability to adapt to a system & team mates....etc etc etc...need i go on?

Simplifying it down to goals and assists, IS actually almost a child-like way of doing it.

[Fredo]

So you think goals/assists IS the only think to judge on then? Is that what you're saying?

So that makes lan Shearer and Andy Cole possibly two of the best EVER PL players and people like Tony Adams, Patrick Vieira etc, are therefore rubbish?

Whether or not Chelsea consider it good value, isnt really definitive of anything - they also thought the Shevchenko signing was good enough value to complete the deal.

As for my judgement, there's all manner of things to base it on, including intelligence on the ball, clever movement, awareness of individual responsibilities, decision-making, retaining possession, good use of possession, ability to adapt to a system & team mates....etc etc etc...need i go on?

Simplifying it down to goals and assists, IS actually almost a child-like way of doing it.

I have said it in more than one post that I don't think it comes down to only this (goals & assists) but they are a major criteria in analysing things. At the end of the day, someone can be an ace in keeping the ball, makes a lot of clever movements etc but it results in nothing, then that makes the player a bit inefficient don't you think?

Don't try to imply something that I haven't said Craig. Let's just move on as we aren't going to agree on this.

[Rudo]

Craig in favouring the Cockney over the Israeli Shocker!!!!

[Lee]

It seems to me you fellows are arguing over which OK player is slightly better than the other.

Flatter to deceive - check.
Fancy touches - check.
Quite good creatively - check.
Not brilliant - check.
Bit lightweight - check.
Injury prone - check.

The fact they swapped clubs, with neither club being unhappy with the deal, suggests to me there's f*ck all to choose between them.

That's what I said. They're both much of a muchness.

Can't people just agree with me? Or am I on ****in' ignore?!

[Fredo]

That's what I said. They're both much of a muchness.

Can't people just agree with me? Or am I on ****in' ignore?!

I agree with you mate (and Neil ), if you can see through the general tediousness and hum drum generated by my over elaborate posts.

[Craig_H]

I agree with you mate (and Neil ), if you can see through the general tediousness and hum drum generated by my over elaborate posts.

You've obviously changed your mind then

Because when one of my posts asked 'Yossi better than Cole?' - you replied:

His output (goal scored/assists etc) for the past 2 or 3 years prove that.

[Ben_Itez]

Yawn.

[Craig_H]

Worth posting it then, Ben