Liverpool v West Ham Pre Match

[Fredo]

Interesting comparison. Not sure why you are trying to reduce the debate to being about a single metric though Nige.

No, I don't want to reduce it to a single metric, but they (Craig and Fierce) hardly produced any metric no?

I agree that they are players of similar quality. My main point was to show that the assumption that Cole was a better player (the reference to Yossi being better as complete nonsense, overuse of smileys etc) wasn't as clear cut as that.

[RedReet]

Not even a spelling mistake it is just perfect

People can get so anal on here.

Obviously Nigel mentioned he didn't have assists.

Sometimes the forum really does just become a points winning session, where all people do when they post is try to find as many faults in everyone elses posts.

Genuine question, not trying to be smart.

Should ‘where’ not be ‘were’?

My grammar is so bad these days that I do need to check these things.

[Arn]

Cole was a better player before his long term injury but didn't play enough at Chelsea or here after that to be able to show if the injury affected him in a negative way and make him a worse player.

Time will tell. No one really know the answer yet.

[Dalglish]

Cole was a bizarre and not very good signing. Yossi was past his best

Neither would be of any particular benefit

[Arn]

Cole was a bizarre and not very good signing. Yossi was past his best

Neither would be of any particular benefit

Cole was a gamble just like Aquilani. The difference is that Cole was signed on a free if you don't count the signing on fee.

[Fredo]

I am inclined to believe that the Cole signing was on the cards before Hodgson was appointed.

[Fierce]

People can get so anal on here.

Obviously Nigel mentioned he didn't have assists.

Sometimes the forum really does just become a points winning session, where all people do when they post is try to find as many faults in everyone elses posts.

Err, what? Please, do explain further, I'm not sure I understand your point.

Points winning session?

Well, football is about scoring goals no?

I don't know how you and Craig can measure a player's ability then, if you don't take into consideration his output such as goal scored / assists etc ... Maybe Cole does more stepovers than Yossi? Bicycle kicks?

In any case, if we don't agree on how to measure that, then let's agree to disagree, as you say.

Don't be a **** Nigel, it brings nothing to the discussion

Football is about scoring goals because they ultimately dicate who wins or loses, but like I said, there is more to it than that. Which I think you're fully aware of and being pedantic for the sake of it

Crack on, I can't be bothered

Interesting comparison. Not sure why you are trying to reduce the debate to being about a single metric though Nige.

My feeling is that the two players are of a fairly similar level. Cole I would suggest has produced the goods in big games on a more consistent basis but appears to require a manager to do his thinking for him, Yossi struggles more when up against organised and physical defences but is better at punishing poor teams by scoring. I think Cole is largely over rated as he is too dim to put the skills he has to consistently good use. In Roy's system he is more or less totally useless. Not sure Yossi would have been much better.

No, I don't want to reduce it to a single metric, but they (Craig and Fierce) hardly produced any metric no?

I agree that they are players of similar quality. My main point was to show that the assumption that Cole was a better player (the reference to Yossi being better as complete nonsense, overuse of smileys etc) wasn't as clear cut as that.

No, I didn't produce a metric. Because there are many, many different factors involved.

Nolan has scored more than Drogba this season. Better then, yes?




Cut out the childishness would you? It's unnecessary

[cream]

I prefer Yossi to Cole, but there isn't much between the two players.

[Fernandinho]

Err, what? Please, do explain further, I'm not sure I understand your point.

Points winning session?

I just felt that Nigels posts was more aimed at, as he said, the fact that Yossi is not terrible in comparison to Cole and he simply pulled out a casual figure which is easily accesible.

Its clear he wasn't trying to rubbish Cole in comparison to Yossi and was making a casual point without going to the effort of researching too much.

My "points taking" point was just about the fact that a lot of people on here (me included) spend so much time trying to find errors in other peoples points just for the sake of it rather than just taking it on the face value of what they are trying to say. Nitpicking is a word that comes to mind...

Anyway I am not here to get into some in depth argument, I am here for a casual debate

[Fredo]

Err, what? Please, do explain further, I'm not sure I understand your point.

Points winning session?



Don't be a **** Nigel, it brings nothing to the discussion

Football is about scoring goals because they ultimately dicate who wins or loses, but like I said, there is more to it than that. Which I think you're fully aware of and being pedantic for the sake of it

Crack on, I can't be bothered







No, I didn't produce a metric. Because there are many, many different factors involved.

Nolan has scored more than Drogba this season. Better then, yes?




Cut out the childishness would you? It's unnecessary

Well, I wasn't using the stats in one season, I did an average of everything to get a clearer view. It's one way of showing a players' effectiveness, it's not the only way as I've said.

I don't see the childishness in what I posted. I've tried to produce factual arguments to what was dismissed as 'complete nonsense' and an overuse of smileys by Craig. That was unnecessary because it doesn't add anything especially where opinion is divided and it does piss me off no end.

[RedReet]

I just felt that Nigels posts was more aimed at, as he said, the fact that Yossi is not terrible in comparison to Cole and he simply pulled out a casual figure which is easily accesible.

Its clear he wasn't trying to rubbish Cole in comparison to Yossi and was making a casual point without going to the effort of researching too much.

My "points taking" point was just about the fact that a lot of people on here (me included) spend so much time trying to find errors in other peoples points just for the sake of it rather than just taking it on the face value of what they are trying to say. Nitpicking is a word that comes to mind...

Anyway I am not here to get into some in depth argument, I am here for a casual debate

It's human nature, we can't fight it...

[Fernandinho]

It's human nature, we can't fight it...

To be fair, the forum would be a lot less fun without the arguing which comes from the nitpicking.

So much of the argument is built fromsomebody completely missing your point to pick out some unimportant piece of a post which they deem "wrong", which in turn frustrates the original poster.

Sometimes it just gets tedious and the argument become so ridiculous when it is so easy to see the original point he was making was really what the other person believes.

[elrichio86]

Every time I see that picture, the name Craig_H comes to mind for some reason

[Fierce]

I just felt that Nigels posts was more aimed at, as he said, the fact that Yossi is not terrible in comparison to Cole and he simply pulled out a casual figure which is easily accesible.

Its clear he wasn't trying to rubbish Cole in comparison to Yossi and was making a casual point without going to the effort of researching too much.

My "points taking" point was just about the fact that a lot of people on here (me included) spend so much time trying to find errors in other peoples points just for the sake of it rather than just taking it on the face value of what they are trying to say. Nitpicking is a word that comes to mind...

Anyway I am not here to get into some in depth argument, I am here for a casual debate

Well, just so you're aware, I honestly don't care about trying to find errors in a faceless strangers musings. On. The. Internet.

Well, I wasn't using the stats in one season, I did an average of everything to get a clearer view. It's one way of showing a players' effectiveness, it's not the only way as I've said.

I don't see the childishness in what I posted. I've tried to produce factual arguments to what was dismissed as 'complete nonsense' and an overuse of smileys by Craig. That was unnecessary because it doesn't add anything especially where opinion is divided and it does piss me off no end.

If you look to the left of this post, you'll see that it states Fierce, as opposed to CraigH

You don't think suggesting that I would be more inclined to view a players ability by the amount of stepovers or bicycle kicks he does is childish?

Actually, you have a point. I believe that the impression you gave was one of being a bit of a ****, rather than being childish, my apologies

Regardless, we're both grown ups, so its unnecessary

You also seem to be agreeing with me that goals scored shouldn't be the only way to determine how good a player is, or isn't.

So how about we move on

Weather's picked up today hasn't it? Still a bit of bite here in SW London, but the suns out and that always makes me feel a little better about facing a day at work

[Fredo]

Well, just so you're aware, I honestly don't care about trying to find errors in a faceless strangers musings. On. The. Internet.



If you look to the left of this post, you'll see that it states Fierce, as opposed to CraigH

You don't think suggesting that I would be more inclined to view a players ability by the amount of stepovers or bicycle kicks he does is childish?

Actually, you have a point. I believe that the impression you gave was one of being a bit of a ****, rather than being childish, my apologies

Regardless, we're both grown ups, so its unnecessary

You also seem to be agreeing with me that goals scored shouldn't be the only way to determine how good a player is, or isn't.

So how about we move on

Weather's picked up today hasn't it? Still a bit of bite here in SW London, but the suns out and that always makes me feel a little better about facing a day at work

I'll let others judge who is more of that between me and you though, that'll be a more accurate assumption.