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    'Why we won't copy Barca' - Rodolfo Borrell

    In the first of a new, regular column with members of the club's Academy staff, U18 coach Rodolfo Borrell relives El Clasico and tells us why he doesn't want Liverpool to copy Barcelona...

    Barcelona's 5-0 victory over Real Madrid was not only one of the finest exhibitions of football in recent memory; it was also a triumph for those who put their faith in developing homegrown talent.

    As a former Barca man I was particularly proud to see them put their great rivals to the sword in the El Clasico on Monday night, not least because I actually played a part in the development of some of those players.

    I had the privilege of working with Lionel Messi, Andres Iniesta, Gerard Pique and Bojan Krkic during my 14 years with the Catalan side's youth system and I was pleased for the lad who came on and scored the fifth of the night.

    I discovered Jeffren in a similar way to how I found Cesc Fabregas. He was an U16 player with Tenerife and I thought he would suit the style of Barca perfectly.

    It was a great moment for him to come off the bench and make that contribution. Hopefully he can keep making that type of impact for them.

    I think it was a special performance from Pep Guardiola's side. Just look at the opponents they overwhelmed. They had the likes of Xabi Alonso and Ronaldo in their side but you'd have to agree the Catalans won at a canter.

    Like I say, I think this Barca team are a great example for what you can achieve if you develop a strong youth system. No fewer than eight players that featured during the 90 minutes were actually homegrown. Perhaps this is proof that you don't necessarily have to go out and spend vast amounts of money on superstars.

    It was a magnificent brand of football but it doesn't happen overnight. It can take years of cultivating and you have to have the right players to play it too.

    People have since asked me if that is the style I would hope to see Liverpool playing with in the years ahead but I think this club has its own style and stature. We do not need to copy Barcelona.

    Liverpool is too big to copy other sides. We can have our own vision.

    We must work hard to ensure we do that. That is the most important thing. Now is a crucial moment for us because we have new owners and a new director of football strategy.

    We must focus on one direction and stick to that. We cannot make changes every few years depending upon who is in charge. The club should stick to its footballing philosophy and build upon the great history we already have here.

    It is not about individuals, it is about the good of this club and we want to move forward by developing players that can be influential for the first team.

    It is also about signing the right young players to fit in with this style and brand that is known as the Liverpool way.

    If we do all this and everybody sticks to the same principles then there is no reason why we cannot have a very bright future here.

    There are already signs that we are progressing and everyone at the Academy was delighted to see that both Jack Robinson and John Flanagan were named on the substitutes' bench for the Europa League game against Steaua Bucharest on Thursday night.

    They may not have made it onto the field but the experience will have done them the world of good. It is pleasing for us because that is why we are here. Most of the lads we had in the U18s last season are now in the reserves with John McMahon and hopefully they can continue to progress and make an impact on the first team in the years ahead.

    In terms of actual action on the pitch, this week has been a somewhat frustrating one for us.

    We learned that our FA Youth Cup tie with Notts County would have to be postponed due to their first-team's involvement in the FA Cup and we are still waiting for a new date to be confirmed.

    We have been training normally but due to the adverse weather conditions we have had to do it indoors. This isn't ideal because I always prefer to train on grass. It is more real and when you do not have any games to play it can mean you don't have the competitive edge or rhythm you need.

    We were hoping that we would at least end the week with some football because the lads are eager to get back out there, but with the weather as it is, it made sense to postpone our league match with Wolves.

    It means we could face two weeks without any football, which isn't what we would hope for but we must cope with that and make sure we prepare well for whenever the Youth Cup game with Notts County takes place.



    Interesting article, honest and original... however a bit of barca would be nice.
    [B]Sir Isaac Newton knew the universal law of karma - any action has its equal and opposite reaction.[B]

    #2
    Hard to see what the footballing philosophy and principles of this club are at the moment.
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      #3
      That was a confusing, and dare I say it damning, article. Reading between the lines it kind of says we cannot become like Barcelona as we don't have the infrastructure and vision and probably never will. The academy and youth league structure of this country is also pretty sht so can't see how he can improve the players.

      Nicely sugar coated with something about the Liverpool Way.

      Saying that, I still think we're up for a bright future with the quiet work being done in the background. I just don't see Borrell staying too long to share in it with his comments above. If he's not going to turn us into another mini-Barca then what did we get him for?
      One tit for another.

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        #4
        Originally posted by BigChief View Post
        That was a confusing, and dare I say it damning, article. Reading between the lines it kind of says we cannot become like Barcelona as we don't have the infrastructure and vision and probably never will. The academy and youth league structure of this country is also pretty sht so can't see how he can improve the players.

        Nicely sugar coated with something about the Liverpool Way.

        Saying that, I still think we're up for a bright future with the quiet work being done in the background. I just don't see Borrell staying too long to share in it with his comments above. If he's not going to turn us into another mini-Barca then what did we get him for?
        Not sure that your interpretation is fair. Plenty of people have stated over the years that you need different qualities in the PL due to the physicality that is allowed. Consequently we need to adopt some differences in approach.

        I'm not sure there is just one way to skin a cat. He perhaps believes that his youth development skills can be applied to create a different style of player, suitable for a different footballing environment.

        I think you could read his comments more or less however you want. I do fear that having Roy at the helm means that he might feel the type of players he wants to develop won't get a chance. or it may be that he feels that rather than one strict way of playing like at Barcelona he will need to develop players who are more tactically adaptable.

        I have to say it is a piece that leaves me with questions than answers but at the same time I think taking it as negatively as you is a bit pessimistic.
        "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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          #5
          Also he is saying that to copy Barca means at least another 5 or 6 years for Liverpool to become champions or challenging at the top.

          This can't happen, it will frustrate the owners, the players and the supporters- so he is saying to the new owners: LFC must spend on another 2 or 3 great players to make Liverpool great next year.

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            #6
            dww, good points. I was afraid my post would come across pessimistically.

            Our future is very bright since the takeover. I cannot state the glow that is within me since the days H&G finally lost their control over us. Even with Roy managing us, that glow is still keeping me warm. In 1 - 2 years time this will come to sweet fruition.

            Your optimistic look at Borrell's comments hold equal gravitas, you're right the PL is not La Liga and maybe Borrell does think he is talented enough to groom to specification. I hope so too. But I'd rather he just got our youngsters playing like Barcelona, failing that at least the next best thing: Blackpool or Bolton.

            I think we need to leave Roy out of any future comments. He is not a relevance to the future of this club. I have come to realise, as I believe NESV have too, that he will not be in charge long enough to make any effect either positively or negatively.
            Last edited by BigChief; 04-12-10, 09:24 PM. Reason: irrelevance, not correct
            One tit for another.

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              #7
              i think that he wants to copy barca in terms of having a vision and picking players and developing them to fit that vision and to keep that same philosiphy and vision of a number of years.

              whether we want to actually play like barca is another thing. i think we all would but would it suit the prem.

              hopefully we are at a pivotal moment get a new ceo and hopefully now we are formulating with the appointment of comolli what that vision will be and starting to implement it with our signings and our next manager.

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                #8
                i think he's saying that tikitaki midgets wouldnt cut it in the prem.

                we need our own style but to have a philosphy and overarching 'theme' of the club and its playing style is something we do want to copy. just a different philosophy.

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                  #9
                  What negative comments in responce to this article. I'm stunned. I think the article is extremely positive. Abd he is saying exactly what we need to do.

                  He is saying we should create our own identity - I agree. What he also says is that like Barca, we need to stick to this method and way of playing.

                  What we can not have, is pass and move with one manager, followed by long ball football with another, followed by possession football, followed by counter attack, etc etc.

                  Barca always play the same way. It's not always successfull and it's not always the most ideal way of playing. But it does mean that the youth players coming through are always bring trained to play in the correct style. It means that the players are trained to play in the style the first team plays and means that the correct youth players are always kept on.

                  He is very open and honest. If we always change the way of playing, we will never have a successfull youth policy, instead it will be a scatter gun approach and largely down to luck.

                  From next season I want a manager brought in who will buy into this. We simply must identify a manager who will have us playing as we want to be for the next 20 years. Do this and in the future we will be in a strong position. Comollis job is essential, identify the correct players that will suit this system.
                  Forwards.......

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                    #10
                    i think we should look to copy barcelona 100%. by which i mean we should purchase mascherano for a small fortune, and sit his ass on the bench.
                    dave of mutilation

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                      What negative comments in responce to this article. I'm stunned. I think the article is extremely positive. Abd he is saying exactly what we need to do.

                      He is saying we should create our own identity - I agree. What he also says is that like Barca, we need to stick to this method and way of playing.

                      What we can not have, is pass and move with one manager, followed by long ball football with another, followed by possession football, followed by counter attack, etc etc.


                      Barca always play the same way. It's not always successfull and it's not always the most ideal way of playing. But it does mean that the youth players coming through are always bring trained to play in the correct style. It means that the players are trained to play in the style the first team plays and means that the correct youth players are always kept on.

                      He is very open and honest. If we always change the way of playing, we will never have a successfull youth policy, instead it will be a scatter gun approach and largely down to luck.

                      From next season I want a manager brought in who will buy into this. We simply must identify a manager who will have us playing as we want to be for the next 20 years. Do this and in the future we will be in a strong position. Comollis job is essential, identify the correct players that will suit this system.


                      He made this very point in Revista the other week. He said that Barca's success stemmed from the fact that at every level, starting age right through to the senior team they all play the same way and they then scout players who they think will suit their system. He said that was the vision for Liverpool also, but I presumed it was recorded pre-Hodgson.
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                        #12
                        didnt ajax do the same but 30 or 40 years ago?

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                          #13
                          The philosophy should be relatively straightforward - it is the implementation which is difficult.
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                            #14
                            rodolfo was totally correct in that we shouldnt try to copy barca. simply because we just cant.

                            the british footballing system doesnt produce any small highly technically gifted players because those small lads no matter how good dont get played in matches that are dominated by bigger faster and stronger lads.

                            at the ages of 8 to 11 the games are dominated by stronger players and the smaller ones dont get enough game time. i just cant think of any small english lads that are exceptionally gifted that are plying their trade at the highest levels of the game.

                            its also equally definitive that the taller you are the less technically gifted you are. before someone says peter crouch he's defo the exception. for every crouch there's a thousand jan kollers, zigics or lee chapmans.

                            gerrard ronaldo and kaka are also freaks of nature in that they are tall but exceptional.

                            if we can combine the physical traits of british players ie pace height (reasonable)strength and passion with a reasonably high level of technical ability we could produce really good steady eddie type players for the team.

                            for the really special talents we could buy the best players to fit into our style of play like players like suso sterling etc.

                            theres no way that a fully functioning academy cant produce players like steve finnan, jamie carragher, sami hyypia, didi hamanns. for the torres' and gerards of the world there's the transfer market.
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                              #15
                              Jack Wilshire?

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